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Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control?

Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:12 pm

Are the following the two longest (commercially available) connecting routes that would not involve passport control for passengers?

RUN-ORY-CAY AF 3583/3508
10,203 statute miles

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=cay-ory-run&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*

GUM-HNL-IAH-SJU UA 200/1260
9712 statute miles

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=sju-iah-hnl-gum&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:29 pm

Guam -HNL kind of has passport control. Guam has a different visa waiver program than the 50 states, so you do have to verify citizenship. You don't need a passport in HNL but you do have to proof eligibility to enter and passports are recommended.
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:56 pm

You can buy a RUN - FDF ticket via ORY and PTP on Air Caraibes, clocking in 10,121 miles along the way. Considering the distance, it's not even that expensive, less than €2,000 round-trip in July (but the return bypasses PTP). Half of the flights are operated by Corsairfly.
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:33 am

What about CDG-ICN-NOU on AF/SB? ICN has a sterile transit area.
There's also CDG-KIX-NOU, CDG-NRT-NOU, CDG-NRT-PPT.
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:40 pm

Thanks guys.

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 3):
What about CDG-ICN-NOU on AF/SB? ICN has a sterile transit area.
There's also CDG-KIX-NOU, CDG-NRT-NOU, CDG-NRT-PPT.

But, wouldn't there still be passport control upon arrival at NOU or PPT?
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:46 pm

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 4):
But, wouldn't there still be passport control upon arrival at NOU or PPT?

That's right! I forgot that there would be originating pax from ICN too.
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:57 pm

This is incorrect about flights to French Overseas Territories. You still have an ID or passport control when you fly to RUN, CAY, FDF and PTP. Because, even if it's part of France, and EU, this is not a Schengen area.
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting nicode (Reply 6):
This is incorrect about flights to French Overseas Territories. You still have an ID or passport control when you fly to RUN, CAY, FDF and PTP. Because, even if it's part of France, and EU, this is not a Schengen area.

Thanks for this information. Then, of course, a passenger flying RUN-ORY-CAY would encounter passport control at both ORY and CAY.

So, considering Roseflyer's comment above about "quasi" passport control for the GUM to HNL segment, it seems that a westbound SJU-IAH-HNL-GUM routing may be the longest connecting route without any sort of passport control?
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:42 am

Well, we could take this to ridiculous levels. For a trip from EWR to LAX you could do it via SIN on the SQ non-stop flights. No need to go through Singapore immigration and you could rest up in the transit hotel at SIN. Psychotic, yes. But doable.

Ooops, I take it all back, you'd have to come in to LAX through US immigration.

[Edited 2013-04-14 23:21:24]
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:17 am

Quoting DocGATTACA (Reply 8):
For a trip from EWR to LAX you could do it via SIN on the SQ non-stop flights.

And back. The ultimate mileage run...
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:13 pm

How about LAX-MUC-SIN. No control when transiting in MUC.

That is 12241 mi, according to the Great Circle Mapper.

[Edited 2013-04-15 06:14:51]
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:05 pm

I think several people here are missing the point of the thread. It's more of a "what's the longest domestic flight" sort of thing, though slightly different. How far can you get across the world without having to show your passport - no passport at origin, no passport at destination, no passport at connection. At least, that's how I read this thread.

That's a tough one. LAX-MUC-SIN would require showing a passport at every airport. Even if you don't go through passport control at MUC, you'll likely have to show it to get on the plane to SIN.

I'm starting to assume it would just transform in to "what's the longest domestic flight, with connections". Because, as mentioned, even French territories have different passport control regulations (what with Schengen and all) than mainland France. So I imagine something like domestic Russia or HNL-EWR might be amongst the longest routes you can fly without having a passport at all.
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 11):
or HNL-EWR might be amongst the longest routes you can fly without having a passport at all.

Wouldn't the aforementioned SJU-IAH-HNL-GUM routing fit that description? Or, sticking with EWR, assuming no need for an I.D. check upon entering Guam from one of the fifty states, (although apparently one is needed in the other direction from Guam to one of the fifty states), wouldn't EWR-HNL-GUM be among the longest routings without any need to show a passport?
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:11 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 11):
It's more of a "what's the longest domestic flight" sort of thing, though slightly different. How far can you get across the world without having to show your passport - no passport at origin, no passport at destination, no passport at connection.

Yes. That is exactly the intent of the original question.

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 12):
wouldn't EWR-HNL-GUM be among the longest routings without any need to show a passport?

At 8763 statute miles, it seems that it absolutely would be.
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:36 pm

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 12):
Wouldn't the aforementioned SJU-IAH-HNL-GUM routing fit that description?

Yeah that one makes sense as a top contender.
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:10 pm

However, I would like to clarify what I said before :
You want to find the longest route without passport control.
But, with your example of RUN-ORY-CAY, there is no need of passport when you are French. Only the ID card is necessary. But, even with the ID card, you have to pass controls on arrival.
So, are you speaking of the longest flight without passport, but with ID card, even with ID control upon arrival, or the longest flight without any control upon arrival ?
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:56 pm

Quoting nicode (Reply 15):
But, with your example of RUN-ORY-CAY, there is no need of passport when you are French. Only the ID card is necessary. But, even with the ID card, you have to pass controls on arrival.
So, are you speaking of the longest flight without passport, but with ID card, even with ID control upon arrival, or the longest flight without any control upon arrival ?

Thank you for this clarification regarding the requirements for French citizens on RUN-ORY-CAY. Unless anyone objects, I suppose that the standard should be the "longest connecting routes without any sort of passport control during the entire itinerary". From what this thread has established, a non-French citizen would be required to present his/her passport to enter ORY and CAY (in this example). And, a non-American citizen would be required to present his/her passport to enter HNL from GUM. Yet, regardless of nationality, a passenger flying SJU-IAH-HNL-GUM would not be required to present his/her passport at IAH, at the HNL stop, or upon entering GUM (as we understand it).
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:23 am

You can zig-zag across the United States, starting in SJU, then hitting all 50 states. Then all the Canadian provinces. I don't even want to think about how many miles and hours that would be!
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:33 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 17):
You can zig-zag across the United States, starting in SJU, then hitting all 50 states. Then all the Canadian provinces. I don't even want to think about how many miles and hours that would be!

The second part of that wouldn't quite work, you'd need a passport to get into Canada as all arrivals from the US are dumped in with other international arrivals. You'd still be able to make quite a trip around the States though!
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:58 am

Shouldn't we maybe limit it to one-stop connections or forbid backtracking? Otherwise you could easily come up with some ridiculous routing like

SEA-BOS-LAX-EWR-SFO-MIA-LAS-IAD-SLC-ATL-PDX-JFK if you know what I mean  .

To complete my ridiculousness here, that would come in at 24,994 statute miles, so I beat you all . Maybe I should post that idea on flyertalk.......the ultimate mileage run.

[Edited 2013-04-16 02:59:22]
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:53 pm

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 19):
Shouldn't we maybe limit it to one-stop connections or forbid backtracking? Otherwise you could easily come up with some ridiculous routing

Yes. While two or more connections may be required, let's forbid backtracking and limit it to routes that could actually have passenger demand (not involving a mileage run or unnecessary connections).
 
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:41 pm

What about LYR-OSL-TFS? At 3325 nm, it's pretty much the longest passport-free connection in Europe (politically speaking) that I can think of. If the German Wikipedia is to be believed, there are no immigration controls at LYR, even though the islands are not part of the Schengen area - so unless you have to show an ID to board, you'd be OK if you forgot yours back in the miners dorm.   
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:14 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 21):
so unless you have to show an ID to board

Flights to Spain always require a passport check at boarding IIRC, so an intra-Schengen flight will not always do!
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RE: Longest Connecting Routes W/o Passport Control

Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:40 pm

Does Guam require a passport check for all arriving passengers? I think so, but I honestly can't recall--and I have been through there several times in the last few years.

I know they have Immigration pre-clearance leaving there for HNL, but no Customs pre-clearance. Really kind of senseless since even though you have cleared Immigration, you still need to make the long hike to the terminal, claim your bag, go through Customs, recheck the bag, go back through security, and hike back to the gate!!

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