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Flying To SYD

Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:25 pm

I recently found out that my company is sending me to Sydney for an extended training period later this summer. My routing will probably be ORD-LAX-SYD. I have never flown to SYD and have never been on any of the aircraft that fly LAX-SYD. It looks like my company will give me some leeway in the travel plans. So as a first timer who has not flown on an A388, B744, B77L or B77W, what would be the best for an aviation nut? Right now I am kind of thinking QF and trying to arrange an A388 one way and a B747 the other way, since my chances of flying a B747 are starting to dwindle. My manager will be in town in a few weeks and we will be working on my travel plans when she is here.
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RE: Flying To SYD

Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:33 pm

Order of preference is -

QF A380
VA 777
DL 777
QF 744
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RE: Flying To SYD

Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:59 pm

I agree with jetfuel but unless you could do QF one way and VA the other (which I think is difficult, price-wise), Id take A388 one way and B744 the other. QF 744 is not the best but if you havent flown the type, I would take the opportunity. 777 is here to stay, the 744 (sadly) not so much
 
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RE: Flying To SYD

Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:04 pm

I would say the QF 744ER that does QF 107/108 (JFK-LAX-SYD) is your best bet. A month ago I flew LAX-SYD-DFW on the QF A388 and 744, and I found the 744 to be MUCH more luxurious.

And you're right, the 744 is starting to dwindle, and I'd give that the first priority. Having not flown on the DL 77L or the UA 744, I can't say anything about them, but I've heard that the UA 744s are pretty old....

My order of preference:
1) QF 747-438ER on QF 108 (LAX-SYD)
2) QF A380-800 on QF 12 (LAX-SYD)
3) DL 777-232LR on DL 17 (LAX-SYD)
4) UA 747-422 on UA 839 (LAX-SYD)

Why not even going ORD-DFW-SYD? That's on QF 8, and if you're as much as an aviation fanatic as me, you'd love the 16+ hour flight to SYD via BNE. As I said earlier, the refurbished 744ER that operates that flight is quite fantastic.
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RE: Flying To SYD

Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:02 am

Quoting falkerker (Reply 2):

I agree with jetfuel but unless you could do QF one way and VA the other (which I think is difficult, price-wise), Id take A388 one way and B744 the other. QF 744 is not the best but if you havent flown the type, I would take the opportunity.

I would definitely go with your gut instinct and take the 388 one way and the 747 the other.

An important point is that QF's refurbished 747ERs are much better than your comunal garden 747. In fact, they are almost certainly the best passenger 747s in the world. They have the Boeing Sky Interior, the same seats as the A380, upgraded IFE, the self--serve snack bars and so on. While you still know that you're not on an A380, QF have tried really hard to make the difference as small as possible.

Have you considered taking QF7 on the return? DFW is a few million light-years ahead of LAX in my opinion, especially if you are connecting.
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RE: Flying To SYD

Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:20 am

I would rule out DL, as it would involve at least an extra stop because DL don't fly ORD-LAX nonstop. Then that leaves you with either UA via SFO/LAX or AA/QF via LAX /DFW. out of those two, the choices is easy, and it would be AA/QF. but most importantly try to get on a 747!
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RE: Flying To SYD

Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:04 am

I think, if given the choice (still need to clear it with my manager when she comes to the States for a visit in a week or two) will be QF and I'll push for a B747/A380 combo...in true Chicagoan spirit, gotta go for the combo....beef and sausage.....B747 and A380.   I am not sure if we can fly out of DFW, everybody that I have talked to from our office here said that when they fly to SYD it is always via LAX. I did have one co-worker fly a weird route home that seemed longer (at least for him since he is not an aviation nut) and that was SYD-HNL-ORD. And I have already scouted out on Google Maps where to go in SYD to get a view of the airport from the beach. Our office is not too far from there (at least it looks like it) so I'll get a chance to go there a few times and try my hand at photo shooting since it is so hard to do in the Chicago area.
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RE: Flying To SYD

Thu May 02, 2013 2:22 am

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 6):
Our office is not too far from there (at least it looks like it) so I'll get a chance to go there a few times and try my hand at photo shooting since it is so hard to do in the Chicago area.

If you're planning on going spotting in SYD, contact Bernard Proctor (bernard@aussiepomm.info). A month ago when I took my first ever trip to SYD, he assisted me every step of the way, even giving me a replacement lens when mine broke! He definetely made my visit 10 times better, and I'm sure he'd do the same for you!

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
An important point is that QF's refurbished 747ERs are much better than your comunal garden 747. In fact, they are almost certainly the best passenger 747s in the world. They have the Boeing Sky Interior, the same seats as the A380, upgraded IFE, the self--serve snack bars and so on. While you still know that you're not on an A380, QF have tried really hard to make the difference as small as possible.

Amen. Having flown on BOTH the QF A380 and 747-400ER last month, I have made the bold statement in saying that the refurbed ones are BETTER than the A380. I bet most disagree, but it's no contest to me. The biggest reason for this was the bigger windows, which if you like window seats as much as I do, you would thoroughly enjoy it over the relatively small window of the A380.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
but most importantly try to get on a 747!

Again, believe me, being a teenager I'm all for the latest and greatest (meaning I would think the A380 is better). However, again, I think the 747-400ER wins out.
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RE: Flying To SYD

Fri May 03, 2013 4:12 am

Quoting kann123air (Reply 7):
Having flown on BOTH the QF A380 and 747-400ER last month, I have made the bold statement in saying that the refurbed ones are BETTER than the A380

Having red your trip reports (I was upset to see that the pictures played up on the return trip, but I still read the words!) it looks like you didn't have the best experience on the A380, and that overall the service that you received on the 747 was better.

From experience, overall there is much less discrepancy between types and flights than that usually. Still, I have to agree that the refurbished 747s are fantastic aircraft. This is going to sound really stupid, but I felt that the A380 was "too big"! Not in terms of length, but I felt that the cabin was too spacious and airy!
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RE: Flying To SYD

Fri May 03, 2013 6:54 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
I would rule out DL, as it would involve at least an extra stop because DL don't fly ORD-LAX nonstop.

Who said it had to be all on one airline? Interlining is very easy and convenient.
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RE: Flying To SYD

Fri May 03, 2013 3:42 pm

Are they sending you in economy? It makes a big difference. The A380 and 777 have the best economy seat width.

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RE: Flying To SYD

Sat May 04, 2013 2:45 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 8):
Having red your trip reports (I was upset to see that the pictures played up on the return trip, but I still read the words!) it looks like you didn't have the best experience on the A380, and that overall the service that you received on the 747 was better.

Haha yeah... I'm trying to find some time to post a new one with WORKING pictures  .

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 8):
From experience, overall there is much less discrepancy between types and flights than that usually. Still, I have to agree that the refurbished 747s are fantastic aircraft. This is going to sound really stupid, but I felt that the A380 was "too big"! Not in terms of length, but I felt that the cabin was too spacious and airy!

Exactly my feeling. The 747 seemed.... cozy. That seems like the appropriate word for it, compared to the large cabin of the A380.
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RE: Flying To SYD

Sat May 04, 2013 4:05 am

Quoting kann123air (Reply 11):
cozy. That seems like the appropriate word for it

  
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RE: Flying To SYD

Sat May 04, 2013 1:04 pm

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 6):
I am not sure if we can fly out of DFW, everybody that I have talked to from our office here said that when they fly to SYD it is always via LAX.

How often do they fly to SYD? DFW flight is relatively new, so perhaps they just never thought of the option.

Anyway, if you want to A380/747 combo (which is what I'd do if I hadn't flown the 747 yet), I'd go ORD-LAX-SYD with the A380, and SYD-DFW-ORD with the 744 (in that order, as the reverse trip from DFW stops in BNE.

As for preferred airline, VA would top it for me on that route, but I do understand the preference of A380/744, especially as the 77W will be relatively easy to travel with in the future.

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RE: Flying To SYD

Sat May 04, 2013 4:15 pm

Quoting csturdiv (Thread starter):
Right now I am kind of thinking QF and trying to arrange an A388 one way and a B747 the other way, since my chances of flying a B747 are starting to dwindle.

Then go for it. I haven't flown this route at all, and although I find QF international a bit "meh" in terms of experience, flying on the 747 is an opportunity not to be missed.

But note that LAX doesn't necessarily get the 747-400ERs. Sometimes they are operated by the non-ER 747-400s. I don't know if QF now only sends refurbished 747-400s on the SYD-LAX route, but looking at FlightRadar data, it would appear that non-refurbished aircraft have operated this route in the last three weeks. So flying LAX-SYD does not necessarily guarantee a 747-400ER, nor a refurbished 747-400 for that matter.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
They have the Boeing Sky Interior

Boeing Signature Interior, not Boeing Sky Interior.

The 747-400ERs came standard with the Boeing Signature Interior, while the refurbished 747-400s have a facsimile of a Boeing Signature Interior that isn't quite the same - the most obvious difference being the overhead service unit still being the same as that of the 747-400.

Nevertheless, that shouldn't affect the passenger experience at all.
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