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Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:45 am

Has anybody ever wondered about the same thing? It seems like this is getting worse.

Usually I take my time when leaving the aircraft after arrival (don't want to stand in the aisle for an eternity), I usually leave as one of the last passengers so I get to see the almost empty cabin. On some long haul flights it's unbelievable how some passengers leave their seating area. All sorts of assorted trash lying around, crushed food on the carpets, blankets and pillows all over the place, ripped inflight magazines, and tons of other stuff. Especially at the seats of families with kids.

I try to never ever leave any trash anywhere (I can't throw anything on the ground in a public place, even if it's a tiny piece of paper, I just simply can't) and I like to leave an area where I've been as clean or even cleaner than when I got there, so after I leave the plane you'll find my blanket folded up and on the seat with the pillow.

But what is it with these totally trashed long haul cabins? It's much worse than how the general public leaves a train, taxi or picnic table.

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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:36 am

Well the general public usually doesn't spend 10 hours in a taxi, train or bus with several meals served  

I visited SAS' hangar back in early 2012, and I was invited in to an Airbus A340-300, which had just arrived from Bangkok. And the cabin looked like the destruction of Jerusalem! Just as you describe above.

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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:51 pm

The FA comes around before landing to collect trash, but some people just don't care. I try to help by picking up an interesting magazine or seeing if I can put together a complete newspaper. When I leave my seat (the whole area, actually), you'd think that no one had been sitting there.
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:56 pm

One of my worst flights in this regard was not even long haul. It was a Egyptair A330 from CAI to KWI and the whole cabin was such a mess for a relatively short flight... I do not recall the crew was collecting a lot of trash either, but I might be wrong...

On a positive note on my AZ flight to Osaka, it was pretty clean. The Japanese people in general were very discrete and undisturbting. I remember the Football World Cup in France when they cleaned the stadium stands after the game...
 
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:38 pm

Humans will be humans....what do you want? A proper and prim society? Good luck with that.

We pay good money after each flight to have the cabin cleaned, and whenever I board one of our flights, you'd think the plane was new.

Commendable that you and others here try to be clean, but asking (in our case) 250-300 pax per flight to clean up after themselves won't ever happen. And I'm just as guilty of being a slob sometimes.
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:28 pm

Quoting Fallap (Reply 1):
Well the general public usually doesn't spend 10 hours in a taxi, train or bus with several meals served

And on full flights (most flights these days) there isn't any convenient place to put your trash other than on the floor. I expect the cleaners find it faster to pick up debris from the floor than if it's stuffed into the seat pocket. And with today's tight seat pitches, passengers don't want to put their junk into the seat pocket as it reduces the already limited legroom.
 
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:51 am

The worst areas I've found are where young children have been and premium cabins. My seat is always left with the blanket sitting neatly on the seat and any rubbish which the crew didn't collect is left in a bag on top of the blanket
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:55 pm

It's also like when people give back their food tray and there's all the wrappings and pots and stuff falling off it. It doesn't take a genius to work out you can use an empty pot as a dustbin for all the wrappings.

It used to amaze me how disorganised the cabin was when I used to board it as a ramp agent. People are just lazy I guess.
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:35 pm

Quoting reifel (Reply 3):
One of my worst flights in this regard was not even long haul.

Same here. I flew MCI-LAS during a Fall Break and a bunch of University students making their first trip to Vegas as 21 year olds. It was miserable. They even clogged one of the two toilets on the ERJ-190 about halfway through the flight, and that's nothing compared to the state of the cabin. I was just about the only "adult" onboard and felt really bad for the FA's, who looked miserable.
 
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:51 pm

I think it has to do with how well one was brought up - and the personal standards one has.

My mother drummed it into us that we should always leave an hotel room as we found it. To this day, I always remake the bed and fold my towels neatly and leave the bathroom clear of rubbish when I leave an hotel room.

The same applies to an airline seat. I fold the blanket and straighten the pillow and seat belts (I admit straightening the seat belts is a bit anal), as well as put away any periodicals I have used, along with the headset. I hand any leftover rubbish to the crew during the preparations for landing. My seat is always immaculate after I leave it.

It is not difficult to do any of this - there is plenty of time after the seatbelt sign is lit for landing to tidy the personal space.

It comes down to how considerate you are of others - in this case, for the person who has to clean the aircraft after the flight.

I personally am appalled at how some leave their personal space after a flight - not the sort of people I would invite to my home.
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:32 am

I'll be right up front, I'm gulity of this!  

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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:58 am

Ugh I know!

Not only long hauls, but short haul as well, even on a 1 hr Vueling BCN-MXP the amount of trash left behind is unbelievable, but not as much as on Long Hauls.

When I flew BCN-DOH on QR, during disembarking in Doha the cabin looked like it was raided by the SWAT, pillows, blanket wrappings, magazines, newspapers, boxes of snacks, cups all thrown around even in Business Class!

I have also seen it on other carriers (DL, CO) I guess when you are confined in a tube for 8+ hours and add kids to the mix... mess happens.

I am part of the ¨Considerate¨ group, I regroup all the little cups and dishes on my tray, I put all the rubbish (tin foil, wrappers, napkins) inside the cutlery wrap and then into a cup and when leaving the plane I also cross the seatbelts   specially on LCCs where I know the crew has a lot to do in short time frame.

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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:19 pm

On the flip side, the cleanest of ALL the hundreds of flights that I ever landed in was that of a long haul China Airlines from TPE to EWR way back in October 1993. Then again, that 747 was almost empty!  
There were something like just over a dozen passengers on Y (don't know about the premier cabin but I guess less than the fingers of one hand) and I was all alone in the last section. So this shouldn't count, right?

Anyway - a little off topic, after my return EWR-TPE (about 3/4 full), on my way back to SIN via HK on November 5, upon touchdown at Kai Tak I was shocked by the sight of a similar CI 747 partially submerged in the waters. Flight 605 had overran the runway the day before.
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:49 pm

I remember years ago when my mother worked for EA at BDL . We were close friends of the station manager and quite often when we came to pick up my mother after her shift ended he would take me down to the gates and let me go aboard the RON planes. I remember one night flight 944, an L-1011 that had just finished the SJU-BOS-BDL run, and I went aboard. The cabin cleaners were nearly in tears....that was the most amazingly trashed interior one could imagine! I knid of wondered if Belushi and the rest of the Delta House residents had flown in on that flight!
 
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:33 am

Quoting reifel (Reply 3):
On a positive note on my AZ flight to Osaka, it was pretty clean. The Japanese people in general were very discrete and undisturbting. I remember the Football World Cup in France when they cleaned the stadium stands after the game...

Not to stereotype or anything, but I'll never forget an arrival to HNL on ANA. Japanese passengers by and large didn't have any mess at their seats - but there was one section of 15 or so well-to-do baby mamas who had connected from Shanghai and it was complete mayhem - baby food, towelettes, broken kids' toys, pillows and blankets strewn about, you name it! Needless to say, there was a stark contrast between their seating area and the rest of us. Even my fellow Americans aboard were DRAMATICALLY less messy. The FAs looked like they could barely contain their excitement to have them get off.
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:25 pm

Lets spare a thought for the cleaners in charge of JQ's 10 hr 30 min HNL-SYD flight...
 
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:55 pm

I think parents who give their kids those packets of Saltine crackers or crumbly cookies "to play with" on an airplane should be shot. These items break, create a lot of crumbs, then those get stepped on and ground into the carpet. They even lodge in the seat cushions of the seats. Nothing like getting out of a seat with cracker or cookie crumbs all over your pants.

Once flew a EAL-1011 SJU-ATL-ORD. I got on at ATL. The cabin was already trashed. Magazines on the floors in the aisles,
cracker crumbs everywhere, blankets laying everywhere. I couldn't figure those out, when I boarded the cabin felt like a hot house. It must have been 90F (38C) in there!
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:59 am

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 15):
Lets spare a thought for the cleaners in charge of JQ's 10 hr 30 min HNL-SYD flight...

how come?
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:10 pm

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 14):

Its a common complain among Hong Kong F/A's that mainland passengers have been causing a huge mess on CX/KA flights... and unfortunately, it seems like its happening everywhere.
 
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:43 am

Quoting elite (Reply 18):
Its a common complain among Hong Kong F/A's that mainland passengers have been causing a huge mess on CX/KA flights... and unfortunately, it seems like its happening everywhere.

On my HKG/EWR and/or ORD flights this has been quite obvious. In May my seatmate was a "mainlander" and he was just awful. I understand different cultures were "spiting" is acceptable, but it is not acceptable when you are in the center seat on a 15 hours flight. For the love of God...
 
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:17 am

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 19):
I understand different cultures were "spiting" is acceptable, but it is not acceptable when you are in the center seat on a 15 hours flight.

Absolutely not...there's inconsiderate (or whatever the 'holier than thou' types call it) and then there is just plain disgusting in vile.

The spitting falls into the latter, suffice it to say
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:37 pm

Yep, modern passengers are scum - Really. It's disgraceful and disrespectful. I shudder to think what some people do to their hotel rooms. Really. Without wanting to be too graphic or overtly horrible to any given race., there are certain really awful flights above just the awful. Without a word of a lie, I know plenty of cleaners who can guess correctly where a flight has come from by a combination of smell and type of mess.
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:18 pm

I'm another who tries not to leave a mess. Tbh I'd be embarrassed to leave a load of litter on the floor/seat, but that's me, and I try and get the kids to keep their stuff tidy as well.

It's easy to say "well I've paid for a flight, I'm not here to do the cleaner's job as well."
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RE: Totally Trashed Longhaul Cabins After Arrival

Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting reifel (Reply 3):
The FA comes around before landing to collect trash, but some people just don't care.

Just a observation, but i think of FA coming around to collect trash before landing is not common practice on all airlines.
I fly very regularly on EK / TG and TK long-haul and i never experienced this.
Maybe they do this in economy class but i don't know this as i only fly business class but i highly doubt it.
But i agree the cabin can look sometimes as a battlefield after an long-haul flight.

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