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World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:48 pm

Two weeks back I have to transfer between Mumbai(BOM) Terminal 1A(Air India) to Terminal 2D (Delta). AI cannot check baggage thru final destination as they don't have an agreement in place. So I have to collect the checked baggage.

Shuttle was supposed to be every 30 minutes but showed up after 75 minutes. To my surprise there was a security check point for shuttle bus, they screened everything, which took another 30 minutes. Also a security guard boarded the shuttle bus.

This damn shuttle is nothing but a airside tour for 20 minutes, then it leaves the secure area, enters city drops you off in front of Terminal 2a. Delta is at the other end of terminal, so I have to walk all the way. It is close to a city block and side walk is not accessible every few hundred feed.

It was a 6hr layover, so I still have more than 4 hours left, but the gate guard said he will allow only two hours before departure. I spent two hours in visitors lounge.

There are other odd things about Mumbai, security screening is after immigration. Is that normal? Delta had their own final screening. Any one complains about TSA should go thru this. You will get a thorough frisking(probably kneading is the right word) and pat down. Odd part is they are local Delta employees, not security professionals. And uniformed security guards are obsessed with hand baggage tags?

Is there any other airport transfer worst than this?
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:55 pm

Ha ha ham, been there, done that, learned lesson aka never ever transfer at BOM from domestic to international or vice versa. Delhi used to be the same.

Mind you JFK T2 to anywhere else is terrible in a different way.
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:25 pm

Quoting DTW2HYD (Thread starter):

Do they still make you stand on a small wooden box while they frisk you at BOM?

Last time I went through BOM my electric toothbrush showed up on the scanner with (what looked like a long thin metal thread). My hand baggage was taken apart and the toothbrush must have been handled (switched or & off repeatedly) by maybe 10 security men, who eventually deemed it safe to fly. I chucked it on arrival at the other end

BOM is worth avoiding for O&D, transfer is unbelievable

Lagos is another one to avoid on transfer (dom / int). Same sort of 'service' as BOM but with the added risk of being kidnapped
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:59 pm

I've had terrifically bad experiences at PHL and FRA, two airports I will try to avoid at all costs. Since I live in New York, I don't have to transfer at JFK (it's either my origination or destination), but I can imagine that it's a pretty bad experience to transfer there.

On the other hand, I've had good experiences at ATL, DTW, RDU, even ORD.
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Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:15 am

CDG and IST

If there is a hell on Earth, it's those two places.
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Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting Fallap (Reply 4):
CDG and IST

If there is a hell on Earth, it's those two places.

Can't agree with that to be honest. IST - at least international to international- is pretty straightforward and it's a nice airport by the way.

CDG has tremendously changed. Not sure when you transferred, and 1-2 years ago I would have agreed with you. And I would still agree with you if you tell me you need to transfer between T1 and T2. However transferring between Skyteam now that they are all in 2E/F/G is pretty straightforward.
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:11 pm

Quoting DTW2HYD (Thread starter):

Two weeks back I have to transfer between Mumbai(BOM) Terminal 1A(Air India) to Terminal 2D (Delta). AI cannot check baggage thru final destination as they don't have an agreement in place. So I have to collect the checked baggage.

LOL, I saw the thread title and my Instant reaction was, "Oh, I'll write about Mumbai". Haven't done that transfer in about 15 years - looks like little has changed.
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:06 pm

Quoting DTW2HYD (Thread starter):
There are other odd things about Mumbai, security screening is after immigration. Is that normal?

If I remember correctly (it has been about 14 months since I was last there), DEL is the same way.
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:31 pm

India International to Domestic and Domestic International connections can be a disaster like that. Same thing in SVO and AKL. I personally hate it when domestic and international terminals are on opposite sides of the airport.

If connecting International – Domestic in India, I think BLR is the best airport. One single nice clean terminal for all departures, although they still use bus gates for domestic.
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:48 am

I'm guessing that the old ATH airport was pretty bad as OA was on one side of the airport and the rest of the carriers on the other side and there wasn't any sort of shuttle (that I could see)......you had to take a cab.
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:49 pm

Quoting reifel (Reply 5):

30 min. Queue to enter the airport
45 min. Queue to check in
30 min. Queue through immigration

At IST
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:08 pm

My worst experience was – only 2 weeks ago – transferring from CDG Terminal 2G to T1. You can’t be any further apart than this on any major airport, and of course no luggage check through possible. Had to take a bus and train, and involves some walking as well. FRA is heaven in comparison to this. From the airports I have been to only the old SVO or LED terminals (domestic to/from international) are further apart, but at least it was one bus ride.

Also transferring between the new and old SVO terminals is quite a pain. Did it once 2 years ago and was probably the longest walking distance I had in any airport.

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Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:24 pm

Sydney - they let you pay to get from one terminal to the other. At least they did a few years ago. I found that absolutely outrageous and got so angry, I am still angry today....
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 8):
Same thing in SVO and AKL. I personally hate it when domestic and international terminals are on opposite sides of the airport.

I don't think AKL is that bad. It's not the most convenient thing, but it's far from BOM standards!
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:27 pm

Quoting airevents (Reply 12):

Having to pay to transfer betwen terminals at SYD (and quite a bit - five bucks?) is a scandal not seen anywhere else in the world that I'm aware of. I know there are worse things going on in the world of human affairs but it is genuinely insulting. I do not understand how it's possible. Puts an otherwise nice airport on the BOM-JFK-LOS-IST list (JFK mostly for 1h+ immigration queues).

Re immigration, ORD can be shocking, took the 0755 UA 747 "Poor Man's Concorde" LHR-ORD in Sep 2011 into ORD 1000, couldn't believe the chaos at immigration, 2h in line meant about 2,000 people missed their connections. What kind of business model is this for AA and UA, if all those domestic flights op with dozens of empty seats on each flight, and a scramble to find empty ones on later flights to accomodate stranded, jetlagged pax who were still in line? It's not as though immigration didn't know they were coming, flights are scheduled at least six months in advance, anyway they're all daily, 99% anyway so it's not like there's much (any) day-to-day variation. Rostering immigration officers is the easiest job in the world but one the USA - sorry - refuses to do adequately.

LHR is no peach for transit due to all the bussing between terminals and immigration can be pretty bad.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:10 am

Manila, Philippines. Terminals are not connected. No air side transfers. Jeepeny or taxi ride is required and not always reliable or safe at night.

I try to fly with Philippine Airlines so at least domestic and international flights leave from one terminal.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:47 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 14):
LHR is no peach for transit due to all the bussing between terminals and immigration can be pretty bad.

If you're only connecting between terminals at LHR, don't you avoid immigration (with the minor exception of connections to a UK domestic flight)? There's a security check but I've never had to clear immigration at LHR when connecting between international flights which must be 99% of connections.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:56 am

Quoting roadrunner165 (Reply 15):
Manila, Philippines. Terminals are not connected. No air side transfers. Jeepeny or taxi ride is required and not always reliable or safe at night.

I try to fly with Philippine Airlines so at least domestic and international flights leave from one terminal.

Amen, I was going to mention Manila too.

There is a bus between terminals. It runs "sometimes" and "whenever it feels like it."
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:24 am

Quoting airevents (Reply 12):
Sydney - they let you pay to get from one terminal to the other. At least they did a few years ago. I found that absolutely outrageous and got so angry
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 14):
Having to pay to transfer betwen terminals at SYD (and quite a bit - five bucks?)

It's actually more than $5 now, $6.50 of the top of my head. BNE also makes you pay.

BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY

If you are connecting to a domestic flight with QF (and I think VA as well) then as you come out of customs follow signs to domestic flight connections, you can check in at the international terminal, and you are dropped airside at the domestic terminal by a dedicated connecting bus service which is free.

If you are connecting to JQ or TT then you're on your own, but if you are on an LCC then I guess don't expect the "full service" treatment.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 8):
AKL

While no airport in Aus/NZ provides a pleasant domestic-international connection experience, SYD and AKL are a piece of p*ss in comparison to PER.

PER is more like BOM described by the OP.

(BTW if you are going to connect between international and domestic the best - i.e. least bad - are MEL and ADL for Aus and CHC and WLG for NZ as the domestic and international terminals are part of the same building)

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 14):
LHR is no peach for transit due to all the bussing between terminals and immigration can be pretty bad.

While LHR will never be a pleasant airport to connect at, "all the bussing" is a huge improvement over the need to go landside and catch the Heathrow Express between the terminals. At least you avoid immigration, and if you are connecting International-UK you have a dedicated immigration point.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:35 pm

Quoting roadrunner165 (Reply 15):

Manila, Philippines. Terminals are not connected. No air side transfers. Jeepeny or taxi ride is required and not always reliable or safe at night.

I try to fly with Philippine Airlines so at least domestic and international flights leave from one terminal.
Quoting copter808 (Reply 17):
Amen, I was going to mention Manila too.

There is a bus between terminals. It runs "sometimes" and "whenever it feels like it."

I agree, as much as I love MNL for having that special place in my heart, it's absolutely terrible when it comes to transfers, all four terminals are FAR apart.

Every time we fly to the Philippines, we always try to fly to CEB instead but MNL is always significantly cheaper unfortunately. When we fly to MNL, to/from the United States, we always try to stay a night or two (to rest, shop, etc) to avoid the risk of missing our connections considering the weather is always unpredictable there and the airport itself is not the best place to connect.

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Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:59 pm

Jeddah. A terrible to fly to/from anyways, but connecting domestic to international is sheer nightmare.
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:05 am

Quoting Loran (Reply 11):
FRA is heaven in comparison to this

FRA is bad - the planes never seem to use any gates everyone has to get on a bus and tour the airport for 15 minutes to go through immigration and security only to get on another bus and take the tour back for 15 minutes to your plane.
At least at LHR they use gates so you can walk instead of waiting for everyone to get on a bus.
I think JFK can be a pain if you need to transfer between terminals and CDG as the employees there are very unfriendly.
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:43 am

Quoting jetblue777 (Reply 19):

I agree, as much as I love MNL for having that special place in my heart, it's absolutely terrible when it comes to transfers, all four terminals are FAR apart.
Quoting copter808 (Reply 17):

Amen, I was going to mention Manila too.

There is a bus between terminals. It runs "sometimes" and "whenever it feels like it."
Quoting roadrunner165 (Reply 15):
Manila, Philippines. Terminals are not connected. No air side transfers. Jeepeny or taxi ride is required and not always reliable or safe at night.

Not to defend MNL here (as I have never connected here, and probably never will), but there are airside transfers...for PR/2P passengers.

Also, I pray they build that monorail.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:54 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 14):
Having to pay to transfer betwen terminals at SYD (and quite a bit - five bucks?) is a scandal not seen anywhere else in the world that I'm aware of.

Hmmm, I've never ever had to pay to transfer at SYD, at least not on a QF-QF transfer. The terminal-to-terminal bus is free, and has some fun views of the airport.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
PER is more like BOM described by the OP.

Nope, sorry, not even close. I did a connection at PER once and it wasn't the easiest, but compared to BOM it felt like Munich.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:24 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 22):
Not to defend MNL here (as I have never connected here, and probably never will), but there are airside transfers...for PR/2P passengers.

I've never seen anything to indicate airside transfers. If the keep it a big secret, then they might as well not have it! The inter-terminal bus at the curb is marked by signs--it just doesn't run very regularly.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:53 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 14):
LHR is no peach for transit due to all the bussing between terminals and immigration can be pretty bad.

Have to agree with you there, LHR is bad for connections
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:56 pm

I recently made my way through Jakarta a couple of times. Getting from one terminal to another is not exactly a total pain but also not a breeze. CGK would find its spot in my personal top 10 of annoying airports to use...
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:33 pm

Quoting copter808 (Reply 24):
I've never seen anything to indicate airside transfers. If the keep it a big secret, then they might as well not have it!

It's on the PR website.

http://www.philippineairlines.com/pr..._service/free_transfer_service.jsp

Well, it's not showing up now, but I have seen tarps advertising this in Terminal 3. I wonder if it still works.
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:21 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY

If you are connecting to a domestic flight with QF (and I think VA as well) then as you come out of customs follow signs to domestic flight connections, you can check in at the international terminal, and you are dropped airside at the domestic terminal by a dedicated connecting bus service which is free.




Correct......(I will find out Sunday morning! when I transfer from QF LHR-SYD to QF SYD-MEL) ....
QF website says Quote "

Transferring from T1 (International Airport) to T2 and T3 (Domestic Airports):

The Transfer Lounge is located on the Arrivals level of Sydney International Airport. After you clear customs, follow the signs located outside the terminal, entry is external to the main terminal within a short walk via a weather protected walkway. Recheck your baggage at the Seamless Transfer Check-in counters and then board the shuttle bus for the Domestic terminal. It operates from 6am to 12noon every 10 minutes and from 12noon until 9.00pm AEST every 20 minutes. The bus arrives at T3 at Gate 15. Check the screens for departure gate information. Passengers connecting to a flight not operated by Qantas or QantasLink should refer to the Sydney Airport website for further information on transfer options.

..Unquote


I've found PER to be a nuisance. Nice airport, but the buses to the other terminal or the city seem to leave 5 mins after a main flight arrives or doesn't start early enough to transfer you from Intl to Domestic when you arrive at 4am. Miss a bus you wait 40-50 minutes. I'm fairly familiar now with the bus shelters at PER airport!
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:09 pm

Quoting Fallap (Reply 10):
30 min. Queue to enter the airport
45 min. Queue to check in
30 min. Queue through immigration

At IST

I'm happy to believe you, but this thread is about transferring. And at least international to international was always a breeze... Might be different if connection to a domestic flight though
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:11 pm

Quoting mozart (Reply 20):
Jeddah. A terrible to fly to/from anyways, but connecting domestic to international is sheer nightmare.

I connected international to international here, and actually my expectations were so low that I was pleasantly surprised   That said, it's really boring, thanks I had lounge access. They give you meal vouchers though, which is a nice touch. Transiting from North to South Terminal must be a nightmare, too.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:39 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 27):
It's on the PR website.

http://www.philippineairlines.com/pr..._service/free_transfer_service.jsp

Well, it's not showing up now, but I have seen tarps advertising this in Terminal 3. I wonder if it still works.

Seems to be working ok now. Still, it's only of limited use since it's only for PR and code shares.
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:36 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY

If you are connecting to a domestic flight with QF (and I think VA as well) then as you come out of customs follow signs to domestic flight connections, you can check in at the international terminal, and you are dropped airside at the domestic terminal by a dedicated connecting bus service which is free.

If you are connecting to JQ or TT then you're on your own, but if you are on an LCC then I guess don't expect the "full service" treatment.

Exactly! Actually I don't find the transit in BNE or SYD bad at all like people make out, its free and easy, like you say, if its connecting either to or from a QF flight you just show your itinerary or boarding pass from domestic, or checkin at the international terminal for your domestic flight and get the free bus across. With VA if you see their staff for your connecting flight they give you a transport pass so you don't get charged.

In SYD I've never had to wait more then 10min for the bus from the QF domestic terminal to the international terminal, and it is really easy to find, its in the departures area near gates 1 and 2.

If you are going onto LCC...then like everything LCC you get what you pay for...NOTHING!

PER is the real nightmare in Australia, that airport is an absolute mess! Crowded, poor signage, and such a long distance to get to the other terminal. AKL is bad too from Dom to Int.
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:49 pm

I do such connections at BOM at least 5-6 times a year and it's really not that bad though I don't use the shuttle because it's a pain. I prefer to spend less than $2 and take a cab to the international terminal.

I also don't find CGK that bad.

My worst connections are at LAX, MNL and PEK.
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:55 pm

Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 33):
LAX

I find LAX to be a breeze. I always walk it, unless my connection is tight. The weather is usually nice enough and the walk is nice before and/or after a long flight. I've actually never taken the landside bus, and only take the airside AA-QF transfer bus when I am running late.
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:57 pm

DAR isn't the best place to transfer INT to DOM either (going ZNB), its a taxi (or a very long walk) landside down a public dual carriageway road

The domestic terminal is quite passable with a good coffee shop, with absolutely 'no smoking' inside

So on enquiry as to where it was possible to smoke was politely told 'out there', so (having checked twice) I walked out onto the ramp / apron and smoked amongst the planes (not many) - all props. Then (maybe 100metres away) I spot a military band playing away (plus lots of flags) and a bizject arriving next to a red carpet; after a short delay out pops a very well known African head of state on an official visit!

It was an 'interesting' transfer but don't recommend it
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:04 pm

Quoting sierra3tango (Reply 35):
I spot a military band playing away (plus lots of flags) and a bizject arriving next to a red carpet; after a short delay out pops a very well known African head of state on an official visit!

If i was greeted to that I would go out of may to travel through that airport. 
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Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:30 pm

Quoting DTW2HYD (Thread starter):
There are other odd things about Mumbai, security screening is after immigration. Is that normal?

Yes... why do you find it odd?
That is when they record you are leaving the country. Here in USA, it is usually done at the check-in counters where the airline collects the I-94 cards or swipes your passport. Keep in mind, India does not have Arrival/Departure cards that they give out when you enter the country.

I do not think it is specific to India. Every country has their own rules. UK, for instance, stamps your passport when you enter but does not stamp when you exit. The airline makes a note when you check-in for your departure.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Thread starter):
Delta had their own final screening. Any one complains about TSA should go thru this. You will get a thorough frisking(probably kneading is the right word) and pat down. Odd part is they are local Delta employees, not security professionals.

Ever had random security checks by TSA at the gates in USA? Its the same except that it is not random but a must! In India, it is mostly performed byairline officials but I have seen armed security personnel in the jetway monitoring the entire process.
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:03 pm

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 37):
In India, it is mostly performed byairline officials but I have seen armed security personnel in the jetway monitoring the entire process.

This is a requirement for US bound flights from most international airports. I fly through BOM many times a year and have never had this happen to me on SQ.
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:05 pm

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 37):
Yes... why do you find it odd?
That is when they record you are leaving the country. Here in USA, it is usually done at the check-in counters where the airline collects the I-94 cards or swipes your passport. Keep in mind, India does not have Arrival/Departure cards that they give out when you enter the country.

I do not think it is specific to India. Every country has their own rules. UK, for instance, stamps your passport when you enter but does not stamp when you exit. The airline makes a note when you check-in for your departure.

US has no exit system either. I believe there is no more paper I-94 since April, 2013. My naive assumption was to put Govt. immigration officials (not ticketing agents) in a secured area. It is possible with countless security check points whole place is secured.

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 37):
Ever had random security checks by TSA at the gates in USA? Its the same except that it is not random but a must! In India, it is mostly performed byairline officials but I have seen armed security personnel in the jetway monitoring the entire process.

Secondary screening is done by TSA. Do you think any airline employee will be allowed to do a pat down here. Are they better trained/qualified than Govt. security screening agents or do they have better screening equipment. AFAIK, there are other Indian airports with TSA certified local government agents. For AI 127 between HYD-ORD screening is done by regular security agents @HYD.

Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 33):
I do such connections at BOM at least 5-6 times a year and it's really not that bad though I don't use the shuttle because it's a pain. I prefer to spend less than $2 and take a cab to the international terminal.

That is an excellent technique you probably picked up by experience. It makes life lot easier.
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:59 pm

Quoting sierra3tango (Reply 35):
DAR isn't the best place to transfer INT to DOM either (going ZNB), its a taxi (or a very long walk) landside down a public dual carriageway road

Speaking of DAR, I will be arriving there on an SA flight and connecting to ZNZ on Precision Air - do they operate out of the domestic terminal or is it only for the small Cessnas. Thanks
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:15 am

Worst I've had so far was last month in IAH and even worse was EWR. Arrived from DEN on UA in IAH and took a little while till I worked out where I had to go as I seemed to be going in circles. Arrived in EWR from MIA on UA a few days later and within a few mins I was lost. Direction signage was tiny and walked directly past the terminal change bus to get to my connecting Express flight. Found the bus about 15mins later after asking a TSA officer and needing to back track.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 8):
Same thing in SVO and AKL. I personally hate it when domestic and international terminals are on opposite sides of the airport.

AKL is an easy airport but yes the terminal change can be annoying but there is a free terminal bus or a nice easy 10min walk to stretch your legs before/after a long flight. AKL is easier then most Australian airports IMHO
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:43 am

Quoting WROORD (Reply 21):
FRA is bad - the planes never seem to use any gates everyone has to get on a bus and tour the airport for 15 minutes to go through immigration and security only to get on another bus and take the tour back for 15 minutes to your plane.

Let me guess, you tend to arrive on UA and connect to LH?

They have recently opened a new pier at FRA, so things should be better now.
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:40 am

Quoting reifel (Reply 29):
I'm happy to believe you, but this thread is about transferring. And at least international to international was always a breeze... Might be different if connection to a domestic flight though

It all depends which time you arrive.
In the morning and evening it is a madhouse at the transfer security points.
They changed the layout a little bit a few months ago but it is still very bad.
Officially they have a fast track for business class but it is never used and when i questioned this with one of their BP checkers he told me to try it again but that that the fast track was not manned and roped of like always was not of his interest as basically did not care about business class.
My personal experience is from 5 mins to 1 hour to clear security and this is with so called fast track rights. ( Business class )
If i had the change i would avoid IST at all cost just for their rude and arrogant behavior.
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:52 pm

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 40):
Speaking of DAR, I will be arriving there on an SA flight and connecting to ZNZ on Precision Air - do they operate out of the domestic terminal or is it only for the small Cessnas. Thanks

The Domestic terminal takes all sorts of smaller aircraft. Looking at it most probably was the old terminal 30/40/50 years ago. The plenty of room on the apron / ramp to take a reasonable sized aircraft. I flew (think it was) Coastal Aviation on a single engined Cessna with a luggage pod slung under and a total Pax count of maybe 10

Can't say if Precision Air fly what, but it is an internal Tanzanian flight (though you'll probably be asked for your passport at ZNZ), so in theory it should go from the domestic terminal.

Have you arranged a hotel pick up at the airport in ZNZ? if not suggest you do
 
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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:58 am

Not The worst, but certainly a very clumsy one.

Barcelona El Prat.

Going from the new T1 to the old T2 (where the train station is) is certainly a pain in the back specially if you are lugging lots of luggage.

After collecting your bags you must exit the terminal, go down to where the buses are and catch a free shuttle that will take you to T2 in about 10 minutes, now, T2 is mostly used by LCCs so I guess the chance of PAX connecting is slim, so I guess most pax will just want to be dropped off at the train station... WRONG! the bus will drop you off at the entrance of T2, then you have to enter the building, go up some stairs then walk thru the passageways (where they removed the previously installed travellators) and take the stairs down into the train station.

The reverse also applies to PAX arriving on the train and catching a flight on T1.

I have given up and just take AeroBus straight into T1, I only use the train if my flight departs T2.

Why didn´t AENA lay down some track to the already existing airport branch?, they certainly had the time whilst the new terminal was being built.

Sometimes I wonder who design these airports.

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RE: World's Worst Airport Terminal Transfer

Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:29 pm

LAX and CGK.

We all know LAX is hell. I've transited there a few times from Asia to Miami and every time it's a pain in the ass. You basically have to walk outside to get to any of the other terminals, which sucks, and of course clear security again. I usually fly SQ into LAX and VX to FLL, and the terminal where VX is sucks because there is usually only one x-ray machine in operation. This all coupled with how bad TBIT is and how the A380s have to be towed into the gate, which usually adds at least 30mins to the transfer, if not more. I've had 3.5hr layovers that felt short because of this.

CGK is a joke to transfer, in particular Int'l to domestic and vice versa. A few years back I was being cheap and since I couldn't get a decent fare from SIN to DPS I decided to fly LH SIN-CGK back when they still flew that route and then QZ from CGK to DPS. The problem is the terminals in Jakarta are literally many kilometers away. So when I got to CGK I was told I could take a bus, but it would take 30 to 45mins, which means I would've lost my QZ flight. I ended up taking a taxi, which still took 10mins given the infamous Jakarta traffic. Never again.

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