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No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:51 am

Allegedly, the Aeroflot flight between Moscow and Havana that they thought would have NSA leaker Snowden on it was a 'no alcohol' flight. Excluding flights operating to/from and through certain Islamic countries, very short flights or military or youth charters, are their mainline flights that will temporarily suspend or normally not have alcoholic beverage service? If they do so, what are the reasons or conditions for doing so?

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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:58 am

I thought the reason was too many drunks to deal with, such as the BKK flight.
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:05 am

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
are their mainline flights that will temporarily suspend or normally not have alcoholic beverage service? If they do so, what are the reasons or conditions for doing so?

US Airways suspended alcohol service for flights to and from ABQ, in response to New Mexico revoking their liquor license because someone who got off a US flight from PHX, went to the bar and got trashed, then killed someone on his drive home.
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:31 am

I don't know if they still do it, but a couple of years ago Aer Lingus banned alcohol on flights to Riga. Apparently it was due to various former Soviet Union republic residents getting drunk and starting fights with each other. They even checked hand-baggage prior to boarding.
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:51 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):

I flew that leg 4-5 years ago and was like WTF? Not that I wanted a drink at that particular hour, but the FA announcement that there would be no alcohol sales at all on this segment raised my eyebrow and I had no idea why. Thx for explaining that. Why would a flight originating in PHX need a NM license, I can understand needing a license taking off from ABQ. In fact, does an airline need a license to serve from every state it flys to? Or flys over? I would think that authority to serve booze would be Federal, as in FAA, to regulate.
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:58 am

Quoting timpdx (Reply 4):
Why would a flight originating in PHX need a NM license, I can understand needing a license taking off from ABQ. In fact, does an airline need a license to serve from every state it flys to? Or flys over? I would think that authority to serve booze would be Federal, as in FAA, to regulate.

The theory is that you need a liquor license to serve passengers on the ground in whatever state you're in (provided the flight is interstate, and not intrastate).

Being such a short flight, I'm willing to bet management found it easier to just remove the liquor carts and not deal with any potential legal backlash than to make a few bucks giving the finger to NM.

It is interesting to note that only mainline flights were affected. The PHX-ABQ runs made by Mesa Airlines (DBA US Airways Express) were still able to serve booze.


The FAA could absolutely step in and claim exclusive jurisdiction, but they don't.
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:30 am

Does Qatar Airways serve alcoholic drinks on their long haul flights?

I would really like to know if QR bans champagne, wine and liquors on their long haul.



    
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:37 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Does Qatar Airways serve alcoholic drinks on their long haul flights?

I would really like to know if QR bans champagne, wine and liquors on their long haul.

They do serve alcohol on all their flights. Only exception that i know is flights to and from Saudi Arabia.
Champagne is also available in economy class on flights to and from Europe  
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:46 am

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 7):
They do serve alcohol on all their flights. Only exception that i know is flights to and from Saudi Arabia.
Champagne is also available in economy class on flights to and from Europe

Thank you for your answer.

I was asking this as if they banned alcohol there is no way I would ever accept to go on the first inaugural A350 commercial flight. QR will be the first carrier to fly the A350 with passengers on board.

I can't imagine a inaugural flight of a new aircraft type - will most probably be long haul - without champagne, wine and liquors being served on board.

I am not a drunk but partying in the sky without at least a few drinks is impossible.

  
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:55 am

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 7):
Only exception that i know is flights to and from Saudi Arabia.

The famous onboard lounge of the EK 380s turn into a cafe on the JED runs....  
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:59 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 9):
The famous onboard lounge of the EK 380s turn into a cafe on the JED runs....

For Business Class pax only I suppose...

 
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:01 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 5):
The theory is that you need a liquor license to serve passengers on the ground in whatever state you're in (provided the flight is interstate, and not intrastate).

Being such a short flight, I'm willing to bet management found it easier to just remove the liquor carts and not deal with any potential legal backlash than to make a few bucks giving the finger to NM.

I always thought it had to do with not serving alcohol in New Mexico airspace without the NM license, but I could be wrong.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 5):
It is interesting to note that only mainline flights were affected. The PHX-ABQ runs made by Mesa Airlines (DBA US Airways Express) were still able to serve booze.

Mesa had its own NM license?

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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:28 am

I did have a couple of stop-overs at Doha airport last year on Qatar flights, and can tell that in the public areas, there is no alcohol available, perhaps in the business lounges there is. And I really wanted a cold beer!

And this despite the shedloads of duty-free alcohol of all sorts available for "export only"

No problem on the Qatar Airlines flights, beer/wine/spirits are served
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:56 am

booze is a huge revenue raiser for LCC's.

No way they would stop serving & LCC's seem to be taking over the world.
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:12 am

No alcohol available on all Indian domestic flights by law.
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:45 am

Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 14):
No alcohol available on all Indian domestic flights by law.

What man? Are drunk passenger more dangerozus than normal christian loving people?
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:49 am

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 12):
I did have a couple of stop-overs at Doha airport last year on Qatar flights

This is where DXB scores. A few of pubs and lounges. Heineken and Jack Daniels have lounges in the new concourse A while good old Irish Pub sits in Concourse C.

Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 14):
No alcohol available on all Indian domestic flights by law.

Even foreign carriers who serve alcohol during boarding in premium classes are not permitted that service on Indian tarmacs. I find this funny because one is able to get alcohol in the lounges as well as within the international departures premise...
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:56 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):

Does Qatar Airways serve alcoholic drinks on their long haul flights?

I would really like to know if QR bans champagne, wine and liquors on their long haul.

Not only do they serve alcohol they actually have one of the best wine cellars in the world. Some very very impressive wines that at wine shops cost more than USD 100.

Not sure though whether this efforts is a waste on all those pax who only care about "alcohol" and don't mind whether it's cleaning alcohol or Veuve Clicquot they are drinking as long as they lose their senses (think: Russians, Northern/Northwestern Europeans).
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:14 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
Thank you for your answer.

I was asking this as if they banned alcohol there is no way I would ever accept to go on the first inaugural A350 commercial flight. QR will be the first carrier to fly the A350 with passengers on board.

I can't imagine a inaugural flight of a new aircraft type - will most probably be long haul - without champagne, wine and liquors being served on board.

I am not a drunk but partying in the sky without at least a few drinks is impossible.

A few drunks in the sky, maybe a flute of champagne before hand and whiskey in the jello. I know I have been on flights where a person wanted a beer, the brand fails me, but the turbulence was too bad and he got down right violent with the crew. When we landed in HNL he was arrested. So we have to give our babies a bottle or can of near beer as I like to call American beer, to pacify the masses would be OK with me.
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:22 pm

Quoting cobra27 (Reply 15):
What man? Are drunk passenger more dangerozus than normal christian loving people?

Huh? You know India isn't a christian country right? Curious how religions got into this.
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:47 pm

Back in the 1970s, Hughes Airwest didn't serve alcohol on Sunday morning flights in some states, because state laws prohibited sales of alcohol before noon.

Both Idaho and Utah and such laws, so if you were flying between SLC and BOI or TWF on a Sunday, you couldn't get a drink before noon.
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:38 pm

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 19):

I'm sure it was a poor attempt at sarcasm, albeit in broken English...
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:40 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 20):
Utah

On that subject, didn't Utah have some kind of law requiring alcohol to be poured behind a curtain - the 'zion curtain'? If so, did airlines have to install curtains in the galley, or use the aisle curtain to serve drinks ex-SLC?
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:12 pm

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 13):
booze is a huge revenue raiser for LCC's.

No way they would stop serving & LCC's seem to be taking over the world.

Jetstar doesn't serve alcohol on NSW intra-state flights as it requires a special NSW licence. The only flight affected is Sydney to Byron/Ballina. Not sure if Virgin serves or not.
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:38 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):

I thought the reason was too many drunks to deal with, such as the BKK flight.

As this is the only flight into BKK which is dry it says unfortunately a lot about the equality of the (Russian) tourist which are going to Thailand.
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:44 pm

Aeroméxico does not serve alcohol on any of its flights before noon.
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:00 pm

Up here Air North 307, Whitehorse-Dawson-Old Crow does not serve alcohol, due to Old Crow being a dry community. The return flight, Air North 308 Old Crow-Inuvik-Dawson-Whitehorse, as well as all of their other scheduled flights (charters it's optional and up to whoever charters the airplane) do offer a bar service.
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:14 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 11):
Mesa had its own NM license?

As I understand it, each operator has to have its own liquor license. It's dependent upon tax code but also distribution. So even every regional/express carrier has to have it if they fly for a major airline, regardless of how the liquor is provisioned.

Quoting rampbro (Reply 22):
On that subject, didn't Utah have some kind of law requiring alcohol to be poured behind a curtain - the 'zion curtain'? If so, did airlines have to install curtains in the galley, or use the aisle curtain to serve drinks ex-SLC?

Don't know if that used to be the case, but that doesn't exist anymore.



The NM thing was really problematic for carriers because they also required FINGERPRINTS of senior officers of an airline to apply for the license after the US incident. Perhaps a lawyer can chime in here, but I think there is personal liability now (in a criminal sense) that can be applied to an airline and its representatives and not merely a civil one. This is all fascinating but complex legal territory.
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:19 pm

Quoting IB6400 (Reply 25):
Aeroméxico does not serve alcohol on any of its flights before noon.


I dont really understand. When is "noon" after I left Manila at 12am, transited Hong Kong with a 3 hours wait for my onward flight, and now I'm on my flight from Abu Dhabi to Brussels that left Abu Dhabi at 2am "local time" after a 4 hour wait? This is the real disorienting effect that makes you want beer at 4am, breakfast at lunch time, and revolt at what the airlines offer pre-arrival after an overnight from the Far East
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
I was asking this as if they banned alcohol there is no way I would ever accept to go on the first inaugural A350 commercial flight. QR will be the first carrier to fly the A350 with passengers on board.

I can't imagine a inaugural flight of a new aircraft type - will most probably be long haul - without champagne, wine and liquors being served on board.

Wouldn't they first use their new A350 on short hops (i.e. to DXB) before commencing long haul flights?
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:37 pm

Many countries ban alcohol for in country flights, including many in Africa and Asia, even in Thailand. For India it is due to the passengers becoming drunk frequently and harassing FAs. All Indian carriers serve alcohol on flights to outside India.
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:25 pm

Quoting IB6400 (Reply 25):
Aeroméxico does not serve alcohol on any of its flights before noon.

Noon at the aircraft's current location, noon at the departure city, or noon at the arrival city?

Quoting ckfred (Reply 20):
Back in the 1970s, Hughes Airwest didn't serve alcohol on Sunday morning flights in some states, because state laws prohibited sales of alcohol before noon.

Somewhat off-topic, but in a lot of states alcohol sales are banned on Sunday. I was surprised to learn that a lot of liquor store owners actually support the law. The reasoning is that banning alcohol sales one day per week doesn't impact overall alcohol sales (they'll just buy booze a different day) but allows smaller liquor stores to close on those days without losing business to larger chains like BevMo.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 5):
It is interesting to note that only mainline flights were affected. The PHX-ABQ runs made by Mesa Airlines (DBA US Airways Express) were still able to serve booze.

Well, Mesa didn't lose their license, US did.

I've long been of the opinion that alcohol should be banned at least on domestic US flights because it seems to cause so many problems, but I also understand that alcohol sales onboard generate a lot of revenue (the markup is horrific...you'd never pay those prices at a bar for such a tiny drink). The airlines are also stuck in a bit of a prisoner's dilemma because any airline that stopped selling alcohol would be at a competitive disadvantage to those who did.

I, for one, rarely drink aboard a plane. But then again, I rarely drink anyway. Not my poison.
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:04 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):

Noon at the aircraft's current location, noon at the departure city, or noon at the arrival city?

Alcohol is loaded by caterers on flights leaving after 12:00.
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Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:17 pm

Royal Brunei is a completely dry airline, but you can bring your own, at least in J.

I'm not 100% but I'd bet anything Saudi Arabian is a no alcohol airline...
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:28 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 20):
Back in the 1970s, Hughes Airwest didn't serve alcohol on Sunday morning flights in some states, because state laws prohibited sales of alcohol before noon.

Whereas in Ireland, often an Aer Lingus plane was the only place you could get alcohol early on a Sunday or during "holy hour" (actually two hours as far as I remember) on a Sunday afternoon. Opening hours and restrictions don't apply to travel related licences - this has lead in the past to "alcoholics express" train services on one of the two days a year that pubs can't open - the trains don't even run on the other one!
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:48 pm

Quoting RJA321 (Reply 29):
Wouldn't they first use their new A350 on short hops (i.e. to DXB) before commencing long haul flights?

I will go for that too. I just want to make sure I secure a seat on on the first passenger flight.

I will buy F if the flight goes from Doha to Dubai!

        
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:59 pm

I think there are tons of places where sunday morning cities have restricted sales or free booze. DFW and PHL come to mind. I think alot of states bars cant open till 11am/noon on Sunday or offer alcohol. I guess the sky clubs are no different in those states.


Besides ABQ i have never heard of a flight to/from a domestic destination that has restrictions on alcohol due to laws. I'm not sure if short morning flights are even loaded with alcohol to sell by most airlines?
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:56 pm

Quoting thaiflyer (Reply 24):
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):

I thought the reason was too many drunks to deal with, such as the BKK flight.

As this is the only flight into BKK which is dry it says unfortunately a lot about the equality of the (Russian) tourist which are going to Thailand.

It's not just BKK and HAV. Following from Aeroflot website re Y class service. The "no alcohol" restriction on those routes doesn't seem to apply in the premium classes where it's free.

You can choose from our choice of soft drinks and juices during the whole flight. You can also buy alcoholic drinks, such as wine, beer, cognac or champagne.

* Starting from Feb 10, 2010, the sale of alcohol is suspended on flights to/from Havana, Bangkok, Shanghai, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, and Khabarovsk.
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:56 pm

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 12):

I did have a couple of stop-overs at Doha airport last year on Qatar flights, and can tell that in the public areas, there is no alcohol available, perhaps in the business lounges there is. And I really wanted a cold beer!

You can drink as much as you want in OR Premium Terminal. You can even pour your drinks, as much as you want. There is self serve as well as a full bar! Eat and drink as much food as you want from three different restaurants.
OR has tons of alcohol on flights. In Business Class there are two drink Menus, as you can see from this video I made while sipping on my Mimosa.

http://youtu.be/o_xBJLQSOwo
It lists all the drinks that are served on QR. Quite extensive selection of drinks.
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:32 am

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 38):
http://youtu.be/o_xBJLQSOwo
It lists all the drinks that are served on QR. Quite extensive selection of drinks.

Not at all surprised - the middle eastern airlines are all too happy to serve alcohol to non-muslim foreigners knowing that they're getting their money after all. But if a native middle easterner wants to drink...not tolerated quite as well all of a sudden!

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
* Starting from Feb 10, 2010, the sale of alcohol is suspended on flights to/from Havana, Bangkok, Shanghai, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, and Khabarovsk.

Wow - those are some long-@$$ flights without booze! I suspect economy class pax are taking matters into their own hands? (or should i say flasks?)
 
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Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:30 am

Why do a state's rules cover the serving of alcohol onboard an aircraft registered in another state? For example, a KLM aircraft flying into the US can serve alcohol to someone 18 and above due to the plane being Dutch registered. If an American aircraft registered in Texas flies into New Mexico, should the laws of Texas not apply? What gives a state jurisdiction to enforce their legal laws on an aircraft that is not based in that state?
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:35 am

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):

No alcohol on youth-flights? Someone call Geneva!

Apart from that, I believe PIA is a dry airline last time I checked.
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:26 pm

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 33):
I'm not 100% but I'd bet anything Saudi Arabian is a no alcohol airline...

You're right, as are Kuwaiti, Iranian, Pakistani airlines to name a few. Not sure about Yemenia can't remember.

Had one of my worst hangovers ever in Tehran drinking 'islamic' (non alcoholic) beer there, but don't think you can get it on Iranian aircraft though, if you can - avoid!
 
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RE: No Alcohol Flights?

Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:26 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):
Many countries ban alcohol for in country flights, including many in Africa and Asia, even in Thailand.

Thailand does not ban alcohol in domestic flights but the airlines ( TG ) do it out of economic reasons.

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