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Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:02 pm

Courtesy smartertravel.com ten urban legends about flying squashed. http://www.smartertravel.com/photo-g...3%3A%3A7597281%3A%3A15326563%3A%3A

As it relates to the first legend I suppose I can be a little less concerned about looking skyward for potential foreign projectiles hitting me during my daily walks.
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:28 pm

A little predictable and dry really.
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:14 pm

"The air inside the cabin is pressurized fresh air that has been filtered to remove more than 99 percent of bacteria and viruses."

O RLY?

As far as I know, outdoor air is already practically sterile (if you do not count pollen).

I really hate that kind of "journalism" that regurgitates what one can find with 10 seconds of googling. Another 20 seconds would have shown that bleed air isn't filtered.


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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:19 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 2):
I really hate that kind of "journalism" that regurgitates what one can find with 10 seconds of googling. Another 20 seconds would have shown that bleed air isn't filtered.

Agreed. It's lazy recycling of easily-available information. Try reading the Daily Mail - day in, day out they post some youtube or other source video as 'news' with some comment about it being a 'heart-stopping' or 'breath-taking' moment. Totally ridiculous, and this item is little better.
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:29 pm

What on earth is this cockpit in that link?



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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:30 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):

seven-stupid-seven.

filler
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 5):
seven-stupid-seven.

nope... 4 throttles...

must be the Airbus AB707    

and the guy in the right seat can't have more than 250 hours...  eyepopping 

[Edited 2013-06-29 09:58:11]
 
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:00 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 2):
"The air inside the cabin is pressurized fresh air that has been filtered to remove more than 99 percent of bacteria and viruses."

O RLY?

As far as I know, outdoor air is already practically sterile (if you do not count pollen).

I really hate that kind of "journalism" that regurgitates what one can find with 10 seconds of googling. Another 20 seconds would have shown that bleed air isn't filtered.

Well, they're actually on to something, they just didn't take the time to explain it (or learn it?) properly.
The air is partially recirculated, and this recirc air IS FILTERED to HEPA standard.
So it's valid information, just not presented correctly.

And, bleed air on some airplanes is sorta filtered in the moisture separator, though most airplanes don't have the same arrangement as the 737NG.
 
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:14 pm

Looks like some kind of mockup to me. That overhead looks particularly bogus... red lights scattered about, and nothing is labeled. I wonder if it was something created for a movie set.
 
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:30 pm

Quoting tribird1011 (Reply 6):
must be the Airbus AB707

Maybe the Airbus AB707 simulator? Same cockpit as is shown in a later picture.

The movie mockup may be the best explanation.
 
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:39 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):

I thought it was a bad mock up of a C-130 cockpit...

The brace position conspiracy one really makes me the most mad... simple physics suggests that it's better to be smooshed into the seat in front of you rather than slam into it from a normal sitting position. What are people thinking?
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:06 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):

I've always pondered if the brace position was better. It is a awkward position for the neck to be in. In my mind leaning ones titled head into the seat in front of you could do more harm than good. I can see it as a neck fracture waiting to happen.
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:24 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 11):
I've always pondered if the brace position was better. It is a awkward position for the neck to be in. In my mind leaning ones titled head into the seat in front of you could do more harm than good. I can see it as a neck fracture waiting to happen.

What is the alternative then? Sure the neck is at an awkward angle, but if you sit normally, the crash will instantly slam it forward into that awkward position which I think we can agree would be much worse. Would you rather be shoved or punched? It's the same principle. I'd prefer if airlines had shoulder straps but I know that is probably unpractical.
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:56 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
"The air inside the cabin is pressurized fresh air that has been filtered to remove more than 99 percent of bacteria and viruses."

No it isn't. It's about 50% recirc'ed air. And that is filtered. The fresh air should also be filtered to remove any particulate that might have gotten in there from the engines or (in the 787's case) the PACs.

Actually, there are bacteria at that altitude. They generally aren't pathogenic (disease-causing) but they're up there. I don't know how well they'd survive a turbocompressor, though. That kind of heat shock should kill them, I'd imagine.
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:06 pm

There is evidence that Blue Ice is not a myth.

Long Island, 2012
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/09/...caused-holes-in-long-island-roofs/

Chino, CA 2006
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_frien...0/0,4675,AircraftToiletIce,00.html

The FAA at times denies it, like the article says, but the real experts of Discovery Channel confirmed this myth.
http://mythbustersresults.com/blue-ice

One interesting side topic from the Long Island article is a lav photo that show a changing table, but at first glance it look a like it is sanctioned for use for the Mile High club.
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:16 pm

Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 14):
sanctioned for use for the Mile High club


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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:43 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 12):
What is the alternative then?

As it relates to possible neck injury when compared to the brace position I personally would like to see the same kind of seat belts we have in automobiles which strap diagonally across the torso in lieu of the current lap belt.

I think a flying pax would fare better if they stayed with their seat. I realize in a rare instance the seat could break free I see it as the lesser of two evils.
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RE: Ten Urban Legends About Flying Squashed

Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:41 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
I thought it was a bad mock up of a C-130 cockpit...

That was my thought as well.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
The brace position conspiracy one really makes me the most mad... simple physics suggests that it's better to be smooshed into the seat in front of you rather than slam into it from a normal sitting position. What are people thinking?

Why would the average passenger want to concern themselves with physics? Ignorance is more fun!

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 16):
As it relates to possible neck injury when compared to the brace position I personally would like to see the same kind of seat belts we have in automobiles which strap diagonally across the torso in lieu of the current lap belt.

This would do a better job of restraining the passenger, but likely result in far more neck injuries.

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