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Airports In Bad Or Good Neighborhoods

Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:01 pm

A few years back had my car broke into at ATL (home airport) but fortunately my anti-theft system prevented the perpetrators from driving off with it. I consider where the airport is located a high crime area. EWR also in bad area and maybe DEN in a good area (perhaps a unexpected encounter with a tumbleweed at worst ?).

Taking a poll of who considers what airports in good or bad areas just for fun.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:21 pm

The areas surrounding LAX and BOS aren't the best. Let's face it, good neighborhoods won't allow the city to put up an airport next door. The best I can think of is SMO.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:27 pm

The area surrounding PDX has a large concentration of exotic dance clubs (translation: strip joints) that cater to visiting businessmen staying at hotels near the airport. Not sure if this makes it a good neighborhood or a bad one  
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:44 pm

It's not necessarily 'good' or 'bad', but XNA is in the middle of nowhere. I flew in there last February and felt like I was in the 1920s with the kinds of roads we were on and houses (if you can call them that) we were passing for 10-15 minutes before we made it to the highway.

Quoting rmoore7734 (Thread starter):
EWR also in bad area

I am positively frightened every time I drive by EWR or fly out of there.

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Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:47 pm

Generally airports are in 'bad' neighbourhoods. Think about it, if you have plenty of money to live where you want, would you want to be near an approach path with loud noises at all hours? (I get that on this site that's probably a yes, but for the general population it's a no.)

Generally the income near airports is much lower than the rest of the city. Low income leads to higher crime.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:01 pm

Quoting Airontario (Reply 4):
Generally airports are in 'bad' neighbourhoods.

Exactly. The area around an airport is generally considered an undesirable place to live, so the only reason anyone lives there is because they can't afford to live somewhere nicer. That's when the airport can be said to be in a "neighborhood" at all. Airports like SMF and the aforementioned DEN are surrounded by farmland.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:03 pm

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 3):
I am positively frightened every time I drive by EWR or fly out of there.

Yes a # of years ago i got in at night at EWR and my directions led me going down a 1-way street going the wrong way in a bad neighborhood. I was in the "hood" so to speak and instead of stopping at RED traffic light i just went thru it anyway because i was desperate to get out of there.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:19 pm

The area around MYR isn't the most wealthy, but I'd never feel unsafe breaking down in the area. When I go planespotting I get nothing but friendly waves and greetings form the locals. Southern hospitality at it's finest!
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Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:24 pm

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 3):
I am positively frightened every time I drive by EWR or fly out of there.

I would not consider EWR to be in a bad neighborhood. Heck, I walk around there all the time when I have long layovers (even at night) to get Brazilian and Portuguese food (something that does not exist in MSP). I have never once been afraid. Now, there are some VERY sketchy neighbourhoods in Newark but the area immediately around the airport is not one of them IMHO....
 
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:40 am

MIA, as much as I hate to admit about my favorite airport, is not in the best place with Hialeah to the North, and Kendall and Tamiami to the Southwest. FLL on the other hand is in a pretty good area, not a huge amount of crime, for Broward in general actually. My home airport PHL is on the edge of being in the bad side of Philly, but not much crime occurs usually around the airport.
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:57 am

Key West isn't so bad
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:50 am

Just south of IAH on the other side of Beltway 8 is a pretty bad neighborhood. Across FM 1960to the north are some good neighborhoods and to the east before 59 are some bad-to-OK neighborhoods.
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:02 am

North of EWR is a State Prison. Guess prisoners don't complain about the noise. East is the NJ Turnpike and Port Newark/Elizabeth.
Most of the immediate area around EWR is commercial, warehouses, factories. One big problem with EWR is the complicated mix of roads around it, made worse by poor signage. Southwest is US 1-9 in Elizabeth, mainly fast fooders, cheap motels, truck stops, gas stations. Roads west of the main ones are definitely risky. NJ 21 going into and through Newark is bad at night for crime risks, and daytimes can have traffic hassles. Across to the west of EWR is a Budweiser brewery/warehouse, and as major rail lines in the area, which means numerous warehouses and factories.
 
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:12 am

Quoting rmoore7734 (Thread starter):
maybe DEN in a good area (perhaps a unexpected encounter with a tumbleweed at worst ?).

Amusing you mention DEN. The airport is literally in the middle of NOWHERE, but because land is cheap, a great number of developers have started building neighborhoods, and rather nice/expensive ones around the airport, then suing them for all the airplane noise.... Only in the US.....

MIA is definitely in one of the worst parts of town. OKC isnt in a 'bad' area and generally middle class around it. LAS is definitely in one of the better areas of the city. LAX isnt that bad by LA standards.
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:12 am

SNA is in the good part of OC bordering Costa Mesa, Newport Beach and Irvine
 
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:17 pm

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 13):
MIA is definitely in one of the worst parts of town

Yes must agree got caught in one of the surrounding neighbor-HOOD'S and reminds me of Tony Montana in scarface movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nds_oQI_kac

  
 
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:41 pm

SMF is still surrounded by farm land, so I'd say neither good nor bad. It's just kind of there.

RNO is surrounded by mostly industrial to the east and commercial to the west. Neither good nor bad.
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:06 pm

SJC - Speaking out of personal experience SJC is located in a great area. Even though it is mostly industrial to the north there are some great places to eat like the In-N-Out directly on the other side of the airport (Almost like at LAX) as well as the new Earthquakes soccer stadium going up next to that. To the south between the airport and downtown it can get a bit sketchy looking at night but besides that it is in a great area.

SFO - SFO is basically isolated by 101 to the west and the fact that it's basically an island. If you go over the bridge further west of the airport it can get a bit scary looking but nothing too bad.

SAN - SAN is also located in an ok neighborhood just nothing great to do around it because of the squeeze for land. There is a dance club that caters to the business traveler as well on the way out along with some dingy bars but that is about it.

CLD - CLD is located in a large business park area and like the rest of the Carlsbad and the general area is really nice.
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:30 pm

Lax is kinda funny. If you go east of the Airport, is in a bad area. If you go North and South, Playa Del Ray, and El Segundo, The area is very nice.

HNL - is in a not so hot area. From the airport to Nimitz is not to safe at night. They even got a Prison next to Hawaiian Airlines MTC area, towards Hickam east gate. I couldn't believe they built a Prison next to the airport.
 
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:43 pm

The municipality in which STR is located, Leinfelden-Echterdingen, is pretty affluent. The real estate prices there are on the same level as the ones in the city center of Stuttgart itself, which is quite a stretch from there.
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RE: Airports In Bad Or Good Neighborhoods

Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:53 pm

Quoting jeffh747 (Reply 9):
Hialeah to the North, and Kendall and Tamiami to the Southwes

It's not exactly Hialeah. Virginia Gardens and Miami Springs are north of it. The east is probably the worst area but honestly not that bad.

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 13):
MIA is definitely in one of the worst parts of town

Not anymore. 10-15 years ago it was pretty bad. But the area is not what most would consider the worst part of town. I guess the arena North of State Road 112 is not great.

Here is a map of areas of Miami based on locals perspective, none of the areas bordering MIA are known as "dangerous"
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:53 am

I've never been to MDW but I don't think that part of Chicago is considered a "good" neighborhood.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 12):
North of EWR is a State Prison. Guess prisoners don't complain about the noise.

Like Rikers Island, the main prison complex for NYC with a capacity for over 15,000 prisoners and about 10,000 staff, immediately adjacent to LGA.
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:31 am

HOU isn't exactly in the greatest neighborhood (as is that entire area of Houston).
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:55 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
Here is a map of areas of Miami based on locals perspective, none of the areas bordering MIA are known as "dangerous"

Forgot to link the map: https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=212676495963941324179.0004d7c237cd0fd254811&dg=feature It is the area East of MIA off the main roads which are not good. But with the new car rental center and train station thankfully tourist don't need to get near there as long as they stay on the highways which are the easiest way to get to Miami Beach. But besides for that the West, North and South of MIA are all good areas.

Quoting jeffh747 (Reply 9):
Hialeah to the North

And Hialeah by no means should be considered dangerous. Working class? Yes. But its violent crime rate is actually pretty low for a city of 200,000+ in Florida.

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Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:00 am

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 3):
It's not necessarily 'good' or 'bad', but XNA is in the middle of nowhere. I flew in there last February and felt like I was in the 1920s with the kinds of roads we were on and houses (if you can call them that) we were passing for 10-15 minutes before we made it to the highway.

So true! There is an abandoned bar-like structure right at the entrance of XNA.... hilarious sight. Right in the middle of nowhere. I'd rather have it that way than an EWR-like shady area though.

JFK isn't so bad. I've been to Charles Memorial Park and Bayswater for spotting, and the locals have been very friendly. Not the most affluent neighborhoods, but very peaceful and serene. Loved every minute there.
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:21 am

Quoting kann123air (Reply 24):

So true! There is an abandoned bar-like structure right at the entrance of XNA.... hilarious sight. Right in the middle of nowhere. I'd rather have it that way than an EWR-like shady area though.

What made it even better was that I got in around 10 pm, so the guy who picked me up and I were driving in total darkness past these shacks and creepy-looking signs.
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:02 am

Parts of KDAL are surrounded by bad neighborhoods to the south and west while the east side is nice.
 
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:18 am

Having worked at JFK in that area between Rockaway and Guy R. Brewer (NY) Blvd and re-visiting that place numerous times I never gelf unsecure there. Also, I've been around many of the Airports mentioned in this thread, having the Habit (shared by many here, I assume) to explore the best spotting Areas. I have been around MIA plenty of times, over 4 decades when the area west of the Airport was not build up but littered with derelict DC3 to 7s. I've been to Opa Locka as often as i could because that is simply an interesting place to see.

I would not want to live in many of the places on the way to Airports, but when you behave yourself and mind your own Business it is OK. A freight Agent I did Business with in NY had his Office on Gu R Brewer Blvd about across from the old "Owl". Parking the car there, close to drug Dealers, would scare many Europeans. For me it was a couple of hundred meters away from my old work place and also near Han's Deli where we bought breakfast or lunch almots daily. Minding your own Business is the way to behave..
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:52 am

Quoting Penguins (Reply 1):
Let's face it, good neighborhoods won't allow the city to put up an airport next door

Well, the areas arounf CPH airport are very friendly and calm.

But the price of an apartment or house in or around Copenhagen is abormal regardless of location (almost)
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:27 am

Show me a western European Airport that is located in a "dangerous" or "bad" neighborhood.
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:41 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 29):
Show me a western European Airport that is located in a "dangerous" or "bad" neighborhood.

The neighborhood just west of CDG isn't particularly a nice area. Le Bourget is also in a rough area but it doesn't have airline service.
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:36 pm

What part of NJ did Tony Soprano live in?

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Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:13 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 23):
And Hialeah by no means should be considered dangerous. Working class? Yes. But its violent crime rate is actually pretty low for a city of 200,000+ in Florida.

Thank You! That is my peeve with this thread. For some people it seems that any community that is non upper middle class or majority minority (yeah i went there) = bad neighbourhood...which is definitely not the case in my experience.
 
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:44 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 32):
Thank You! That is my peeve with this thread. For some people it seems that any community that is non upper middle class or majority minority (yeah i went there) = bad neighbourhood...which is definitely not the case in my experience.

In 2012 there was 4 murders in Hialeah as city of over 235,000. In Miami Beach a smaller city there were 5. I never understood myself why people think Hialeah is a bad area. It is one of the safer parts of South Florida. Hialeah is the good example of it being working class giving people the impression of it being "dangerous."

FLL is not really next to much, mostly commercial area and the port so FLL is in a good area also.
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:58 am

The main factor is not whether the residents nearby mind the noise, it's whether a large chunk of flat land can be purchased for as little as possible to build an airport on.
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Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:24 pm

MCI is fine, just way out in suburban nowhere with fields still to its west, south and north (across I-29). The city sprawled out to it over the years. Within just a few minutes' drive are some of the Northland's best neighborhoods and developments.
 
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Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:35 pm

I would say RDU is surrounded by very good neighborhoods. Right in the middle of Research Triangle Park with suburbs of North Raleigh and Cary in the approach path.
 
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:41 am

DFW is right up there with the likes of SMF. It just sits out there in the middle of nowhere.

I've heard DAL isn't in the best area of Dallas.

And GKY is in a good area. No much in the immediate area but the surrounding suburbs of Arlington in that area are relatively nice.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:14 am

For it being an older airport and the city growing around it, the neighborhoods around ORD are relatively nice. MDW on the other hand, no so much. HOU is not so good; PHX is in a relatively rough area (compared to the rest of the valley); SAT isn't great for the first 4-5 miles around the airport, then improves. SNA is in a nice area; AUS has new developments growing around the airport, improving the quality of the area; LAS has some rough areas just northeast of the airport for a couple of miles, elsewhere is fine.
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Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:28 pm

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 38):
AUS has new developments growing around the airport, improving the quality of the area;

Most importantly, at least for some of us, Circuit of the Americas developed very near AUS. COTA presents a world-class racing facility for Formula 1 and other racing circuits. If you haven't been, I highly recommend it. The convenience to AUS couldn't be any better.
 
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Quoting 727tiger (Reply 39):
Most importantly, at least for some of us, Circuit of the Americas developed very near AUS. COTA presents a world-class racing facility for Formula 1 and other racing circuits. If you haven't been, I highly recommend it. The convenience to AUS couldn't be any better.

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Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:29 am

This morning I discovered that TTN, while the single least-well-equipped airport I've ever been at, is in one of the nicest areas of Jersey. Lots of very expensive cars (Bentleys, Rolls-Royces, etc.) and ten-million-dollars-or-more mansions around. Lots of corporate jets and private jets.

Also, a sign down the road from the public terminal entrance reminded me that TTN is where my company stores our corporate jets. I had forgotten that TTN was the airport we use. If I can make the right connections, hopefully I'll be visiting TTN more in the future if I can get into our Aviation & Fleet Management group in procurement.
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Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:27 am

Quoting jeffh747 (Reply 9):
with Hialeah to the North, and Kendall and Tamiami to the Southwest.
Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
It's not exactly Hialeah. Virginia Gardens and Miami Springs are north of it. The east is probably the worst area but honestly not that bad.

If you want to avoid the toll on SR112 you can take a drive through Liberty City. Really scary.

This all seems to be the case in the US. In Asia, airports are in generally less affluent areas but certainly not scary by any measure. SYD is surrounded by neighborhoods that are not as nice, but not really scary. CBR is surrounded by a Costco!

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Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:26 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
Just south of IAH on the other side of Beltway 8 is a pretty bad neighborhood. Across FM 1960to the north are some good neighborhoods and to the east before 59 are some bad-to-OK neighborhoods.

You forgot the area immediately to the east of IAH, Greenspoint aka Gunspoint. It's so bad it has a national reputation!

The area around MDW isn't that bad. To the west it's ok, to the east for a few miles it's also not too bad. But go any further to the east than that you are in gangland territory. ORD is surrounded by industrial buildings and office buildings. But just beyond that those neighborhoods aren't too bad either. But Bellwood, a few miles south on Mannheim Rd is pretty trashed by now a must avoid neighborhood.

The area around HOU is pretty spotty. There are some nice places and some iffy places, but most of it around there is low income. And I do mean low income.
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Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:11 pm

Quoting Penguins (Reply 1):
The areas surrounding LAX

The area immediately surrounding LAX isn't too bad. Once one gets a couple of miles in, however, is when it gets rough.
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Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:33 am

Although not currently served by commercial air carriers, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Detroit City Airport (KDET).

I have not been there, but I understand the surrounding neighborhoods were one of the reasons Southwest moved operations to KDTW (I think it primarily had to do with airport infrastructure, however)..

Similar to what rmoore7734 mentioned in Reply 6, it was customary that if you were driving in the neighboorhoods around DET, you did not stop at red lights. If the police noticed you running red lights, they would not pull you over because they understood the risks associated with stopping.

All of this is "hearsay" information; I have not been to Detroit City Airport; anybody from Detroit able to comment?

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Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:57 am

ACK (Nantucket) .... Pretty much the dhole island is a nice neighborhood!
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