TheSonntag
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Genoa Airport And Diversions

Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:30 am

I visited a good Italian friend for his wedding in Genova last weekend, flying LH Cityline CRJ 900 from MUC.
Our flight back to Munich on sunday was cancelled, because the flight from Munich diverted to Bologna.

Some people from the same flight told me that diversions are common, since Genova needs good visibility and is susceptible to crosswind.

So, is it true that Genoa has lots of diversions?

Another question, I found the airport surprisingly out of time. The terminal reminded me of Cologne Bonn in the 1980s, no traffic at all, 1.6 million people a year is nothing for such a big city and beautiful region. So, why is Genoa airport so unpopular?
 
exaz
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RE: Genoa Airport And Diversions

Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:00 am

GOA is quite a tricky airport as its wedged tightly between the sea to the south and mountains to the north. The mountains also interfere in the approach phase and can create severe mountain waves when winds are from north.
This means it has to have an offset Localizer leading to higher minima for the ILS and lower xwind limits.
Also the ILS is only for rwy 28 with 10 having a circling procedure  Sad

[Edited 2014-07-01 01:06:32]
 
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RE: Genoa Airport And Diversions

Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:45 am

Genoa is overshadowed by Milan's airports which lie in close proximity. I'm a frequent visitor as I have family there and it is usually more practical to fly to MXP and LIN as there are many more flights, not only for long haul but also to fly within Europe.
 
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RE: Genoa Airport And Diversions

Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:25 pm

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 2):
Genoa is overshadowed by Milan's airports which lie in close proximity. I'm a frequent visitor as I have family there and it is usually more practical to fly to MXP and LIN as there are many more flights, not only for long haul but also to fly within Europe.


Ironically, in the days before aircraft could land in almost zero visibility, GOA was a common diversion point for flights to Milan. I recall a CP DC-8-63 trip around 1976 YYZ-TLV (with scheduled stops at MXP and ATH). I think it was January and MXP was fogged in and the flight diverted to GOA.

The same thing happened a few days later on the westbound flight, except in that case the flight which was an hour or so late departing ATH held over MXP for about one hour to see if the fog would improve. It didn't and the flight again diverted to GOA. The crew ran out of time and passengers were put up in a very nice hotel in GOA for the night. Operated nonstop GOA-YYZ the next morning.

During the fog-prone winter months, the GOA diversions from MXP were very common in those days.
 
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RE: Genoa Airport And Diversions

Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:34 pm

I drive there often on my way to Tuscany when I'm not stopping in Torino, and fog is quite common (and so it is in Torino). In fact on all those autostradas there are plenty of signs indicating frequent fog, how to judge its thickness, and what speed to drive.
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RE: Genoa Airport And Diversions

Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:58 pm

I found this from 6 years ago.
Is it still current...and, I remembered tho Loc being off-set, sorry!

Genoa, Italy GOA/LIMJ

Genoa, Italy
GOA/LIMJ

ILS 29/Circling 11
ILS 29 steep glideslope 3.2 degrees. Unusual obstuctions (ships) on takeoff & landing.
Turbulence & windshear.

The runway is a strip of reclaimed land with shipping channels to the South and West. Consequently, ships with tail masts in the dock area can be considered as a hazard. RWY 29 threshold is inset due to obstructions in the dock area. The runway is liable to pools of water and flocks of seabirds are common. Coastline lights make the runway lights difficult to distinguish.

Preferential RWY for take-off and landing is RWY 28.

OTHER INFORMATION

Wind limitations for minimums: It shall be applied a 30% reduction from the maximum demonstrated crosswind component published on the AFM for each ACFT. Winds exceeding 15 KT from northern sectors and 20 KT from southern sectors may generate turbulence or windshear and tail components on RWY THR 10 and 28.
Birds in vicinity of APT.
Ships up to 171′ may obstruct.

APPROACH

RWY 29:

Both the ILS approaches and the VOR/DME approach have steeper than normal glideslope angles of 3.2 degrees.

Circling approach to RWY 11:

PAPI compulsory for circling apch Rwy 10 by NIGHT. PAPI obstacle clearance sfc (OCS) penetrated by terrain beyond 8000m from THR 10. PAPI not usable beyond D4.0. Coastline lights may make the RWY lights difficult to see. Request ATC to increase lighting intensity.

TAKE-OFF AND DEPARTURE

Confirm with ATC that the take-off area is clear of shipping.

[Edited 2014-07-01 07:01:17]

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