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Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspace

Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:43 pm

Saw this flightpath of the Norwegian 787 doing OSL - BKK. The flightpath they are following makes one think they r trying
to avoid Russian airspace at all costs. R they not allowed or is this just a technicality?


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RE: Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspa

Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:08 pm

Probably just trying to avoid Russia's high overflight and ATC charges.
 
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RE: Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspa

Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:49 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Probably just trying to avoid Russia's high overflight and ATC charges.

Bingo. This is almost certainly the one and only reason
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RE: Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspa

Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:52 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Probably just trying to avoid Russia's high overflight and ATC charges.
Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 2):
Bingo. This is almost certainly the one and only reason

I wouldn't say so. Avoiding Russia, especially to/from Scandinavia, is so cost prohibitive you're only going to avoid Russia if you can't get the permits. Otherwise we would see everyone route south of Russia.
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RE: Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspa

Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:18 am

DY has indeed no permits to overfly Russian airspace. Same goes for example for PR on their MNL-LHR route, which flies very South and has a longer then neccesary flighttime as well.

Remember when LH Cargo changed crew base from Russia to Kazahstan (iirc). Russia ended up their overfly permit and LH Cargo was not really happy about it as you can understand  
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RE: Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspa

Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:05 am

The Russian authorities do not allow wetleased airlines over Russian airspace. Norwegian Long Haul, the subsidiary which flies the Dreamliner Aircraft, is a wet lease operator, while Norwegian Air Shuttle is not. Moving the Dreamliner aircraft from the Norwegian Long Haul operation to Norwegian Air Shuttle will allow them to fly over Russian airspace which will save 40-50 minutes on the Dreamliner flights to Bangkok. Currently, they have to detour around the Crimean peninsula. The "transfer" to the Norwegian Air Shuttle Air Operator Certificate has already happened, all that's pending now is approval from the Russian authorities.

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RE: Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspa

Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:15 pm

Quoting Valorien (Reply 5):
The Russian authorities do not allow wetleased airlines over Russian airspace.

Why?
 
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RE: Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspa

Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:09 am

Quoting kevin (Reply 6):
Quoting Valorien (Reply 5):
The Russian authorities do not allow wetleased airlines over Russian airspace.

Why?

Probably one way of reducing competition with their own airlines.

You may recall a few years ago when Russia banned AC from overflying Russia on it's then new seasonal YYZ-DEL nonstop service. The reported reason was that SU had been carrying a lot of Canada-India traffic and they wanted to make life as difficult as possible for AC.

However, Canada quickly retaliated by banning Russian aircraft from Canadian airspace (except for limited scheduled services to Toronto) which had a major impact on SU services to the U.S. After Canada imposed that ban an agreement was quickly reached within the next couple of weeks and the overflight bans were lifted.
 
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RE: Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspa

Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:40 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
Probably one way of reducing competition with their own airlines.

You may recall a few years ago when Russia banned AC from overflying Russia on it's then new seasonal YYZ-DEL nonstop service. The reported reason was that SU had been carrying a lot of Canada-India traffic and they wanted to make life as difficult as possible for AC.

However, Canada quickly retaliated by banning Russian aircraft from Canadian airspace (except for limited scheduled services to Toronto) which had a major impact on SU services to the U.S. After Canada imposed that ban an agreement was quickly reached within the next couple of weeks and the overflight bans were lifted.

Thx, that makes sense
 
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RE: Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspa

Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:00 am

Quoting kevin (Thread starter):
Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspace

They have flights to LED if i'm not mistaken, which last I checked is in Russia.
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RE: Is Norwegian Not Allowed To Use Russian Airspa

Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:35 pm

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 9):
They have flights to LED if i'm not mistaken, which last I checked is in Russia.

Norwegian Air Shuttle fly to LED, not Norwegian Long Haul.

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