SE210Caravelle
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U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:29 pm

(This thread was accidentally deleted and the mods gave me permission to repost.)

Are there any US cities with the airport infrastructure and enough O&D demand to be hubs/large focus cities which aren't already playing that type of a role? AUS? OKC? MEM? MSY? MCI?

One poster recently made the argument that B6 needs a hub outside of the East Coast/FL. Are there even any cities left?
 
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:10 pm

I have always thought that Austin would be a good candidate for a hub for Virgin/Jet Blue/Alaska since the region has a strong business environment and a rapidly growing population. I am not in the airline business so I can not support my case with facts and figures. Austin has always impressed me as a region that could support a small hub.

OKC might be a dark horse as it has a strong business community, MEM and MSY are non starters as both cities do not have the wealth and business communities to support a hub and MCI just does not seem to be a good fit for a hub operation. My $.02
 
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:00 am

I think AUS would definitely have the most potential out of those, given growth. Like dfwjim1 said, it seems a VX or B6 possibility, though at the same time it seems like one that could also support a widebody or allianced carrier. Perhaps a DL focus.

MSY seems more like it could become an LCC Focus City, not a hub, perhaps for some LCC with RJ's that can do Caribbean and Mexico stuff.

MCI or OKC sound prime for some kind of F9 weirdness, though likewise probably not full hub.

PIT certainly has the space to be a hub, but given its ever so slightly out of the way location from 752 europe range it may not be as appealing, but I could definitely see it becoming SOMEONES focus city. It really seems a wildcard who that would be, given that its location and proximity to other hubs may likely be equally unappealing to just about everyone, but at the same time it perhaps has some strategic potential.
 
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:23 pm

Short answer is no   You could pick plenty of cities that would make it geographically more efficient to have operations centered around, but as far as whether those airports have the infrastructure and the cities have enough demand are up for debate. Honestly, I believe most, if not all, the hub cities have already been identified. I have always wondered, however, why airlines other than UAL and B6 have identified IAD as a hub/focus city....Thought there would be more
 
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:31 pm

I think SAT and AUS are the best candidates.

And for some reason I think STL would be a great mid continent hub.
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:00 pm

What about PDX?
Could we see an airline utilize PDX as Asian gateway the way DL is using SEA?
Of course PDX doesn't have the same wealth and O&D market that SEA does but it has some.
 
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:00 pm

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 5):
What about PDX?

Once upon a time PDX was a DL gateway to Asia. Didn't work out so well.
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:56 pm

Once upon a time Reno was a hub for Reno Air. It made a lot of sense for West Coast travelers, between PHX, all the LA airports, SAN and PDX, SEA, OAK ,BOI . Because it mostly stuck to north/south routes on the west coast there were rarely weather delays. RNO might have a weather problem for a few hours a couple of days a year. There was some O&D traffic for locals to RNO as well as the Reno/Tahoe resorts. Two long runways and about 20 gates with plenty of room to expand, arrivals and departures mostly over industrial/commercial areas so no neighbor problems.

Now that all the competition has been run out by Southwest, and Southwest is cutting back, maybe there is room to try it again?
 
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:02 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4):

I think SAT and AUS are the best candidates.

Agreed. It is just amazing how much O&D these cities have without being a hub. Granted, Air Tran has had a couple random Mexico routes from both. Also, both airports also have Mexican carriers coming in as well. So some of the O&D is using these flights.

I suppose the only reason they aren't hubs is because they are overshadowed by the 2 other hub cities in Texas, and a 4th carrier hasn't come in to create a mid-continent hub against AA, UA, and WN.
 
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:36 am

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Thread starter):

Are there any US cities with the airport infrastructure and enough O&D demand to be hubs/large focus cities which aren't already playing that type of a role? AUS? OKC? MEM? MSY? MCI?

PHF?   


Seriously, though, Austin and San Antonio are both growing metro areas. The San Antonio-New Braunfels MSA is the 24th largest in the US (per Wikipedia). The Austin-Round Rock MSA is #35, and Round Rock is the home of Dell.
 
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:10 pm

I was just thinking...would El Paso, Texas would be a good candidate for a focus city/hub? It's a growing metro area, there is a large population across the Rio Grande, it's in MST and is about 1/2 way between California and Texas.
 
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:30 pm

RNO is too expensive to operate. AUS has all the serrvice they need but their MP says they want to groww to 122 gates-
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:03 pm

What about BNA? AA used to have an operation there and SW does now. Would a theoretical legacy carrier have any interest? Certainly great location but is there enough O&D demand?
 
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:03 am

Quoting S75752 (Reply 2):
MSY seems more like it could become an LCC Focus City, not a hub, perhaps for some LCC with RJ's that can do Caribbean and Mexico stuff.
Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 1):
MEM and MSY are non starters as both cities do not have the wealth and business communities to support a hub

I beg to differ about MSY. MSY would not do as a hub for a major, but as a hub for a start-up or LCC (like NK, VX, or G4) it would serve as an excellent caribbean gateway.
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:04 am

What about the Tampa Bay area ?



TPA is a superb Airport, consistently voted one of the best if not the best in the country. Delays not an issue, plenty of capacity. I realize it's still between being a city and a big town but the population is growing steadily and there's a lot more money here than there used to be, it's not just retirees anymore.



Perfect Florida hub for UAL, as a resident of the area I am a little biased  
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:07 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4):
And for some reason I think STL would be a great mid continent hub.

STL is only as big as the companies in the area (of which Boeing is pretty much king of), yet if Boeing starts cutting back, STL will suddenly not be as appealing for a hub.

Don't get me wrong. I currently live in St. Louis, but the days of STL as a hub are gone. Focus city? Yes. Hub? Not so sure. The only bright side is that almost every lower 48 airport is within reach (depending on the equipment you use).
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:16 pm

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 12):
What about BNA? AA used to have an operation there and SW does now. Would a theoretical legacy carrier have any interest? Certainly great location but is there enough O&D demand?

Great location geographically and certainly a booming city, but no airline--legacy or start-up--is going to be able to make inroads on the large operation WN has there now, which serves a good chunk of the city's needs.

Keep in mind there is no nonstop service from BNA to any of the Bay Area airports on any airline, US does not serve PHX, and DL/UA only serve SLC/DEN respectively with regional jets. JetBlue pulled out, neither Alaska nor Virgin America currently serves the city, and UA has no mainline service anywhere.

It's also only a 35-minute hop (flying) to DL's megahub in ATL, to which they offer mainline service about every 90 minutes.
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:12 pm

If it wasn't so constrained at the moment, FLL could be a hub to more than NK. Back in 2006, US wanted to build a Caribbean/Latin America gateway from Fort Lauderdale, which was largely a financial flop.

DL almost had a hub back in the day with nonstop service to not only all hubs, but also Intrafloridian and international flights. These days, DL has slashed service at FLL for whatever reason. Not much better at MIA, but they do have a 772 doing MIA-LAX-MIA. Maybe when FLL's bloated and delayed construction is finished, more airlines may be interested in it.

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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:17 pm

Quoting lpdal (Reply 17):
These days, DL has slashed service at FLL for whatever reason. Not much better at MIA, but they do have a 772 doing MIA-LAX-MIA.

DL MIA-LAX-MIA is on a 738, only AA has wide bodies on MIA-LAX
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RE: U.S. Cities That Could Be Hubs

Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:56 pm

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 5):
Could we see an airline utilize PDX as Asian gateway the way DL is using SEA?
Of course PDX doesn't have the same wealth and O&D market that SEA does but it has some.

Delta tried PDX once as a hub and it failed.

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