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Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:55 pm

Just saw this on FR24, Delta flight DL469, 744, is currently circling out of TLV. Maybe fuel dumping?

http://www.flightradar24.com/DAL469/3ccf59a
 
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:33 pm

Quoting IDISA (Thread starter):

I'd have to agree that it appears to have been dumping fuel and now returning to TLV. Mechanical issue?
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:36 pm

Looks like it just landed. No updates on delta.com.
 
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:38 pm

Landing gear issues, returning to TLV.
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:40 pm

It was a flaps issue, landed safety.
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:53 pm

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 4):
It was a flaps issue, landed safety.

Was this the 747 they send from JFK?

Clicked on this thread because I thought it could be a terror related safety issue. Glad to see that is not the case.

Stay safe.

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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:16 am

Quoting bchandl (Reply 5):
Clicked on this thread because I thought it could be a terror related safety issue.

Me too. I'm hearing that Hamas is threatening to attack TLV specifically.
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:20 am

Saw on the news yesterday that Hamas is warning airlines that at the airport in Tel Aviv is a target. Would not be surprised to see some service suspensions until things cool down.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/hamas-ar...gurion-airport-20140711-zt52s.html
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:26 am

I was on DL 469 (and 468) in March. I was curious beforehand which aircraft they use on the route. As it turns out, they pretty much cycle all of their 744s at some point to JFK-TLV. I was on N667US and, well, I don't have it at my fingertips right now!
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:03 am

 
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:21 am

Not to get to politcal here but if I were Hamas I would be very careful of targeting TLV, hitting a foregin aircraft could have terrible repruccusions, specifically if it were an AA,UA or DL aircraft.
 
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:32 am

Quoting d l x (Reply 9):

Here's the news on it.

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-nyc-fli...e-emergency-landing-024427003.html

Per the news article, the pax are going to have to wait about 20 hours for what I presume would be the same scheduled Sunday night flight to JFK, wouldn't be pertinent to use another SkyTeam member to get some off the pax to JFK via AMS or CDG, etc. LY has a TLV-JFK flight as well.

The article stats 370 pax (out of 376 possible per Seat Guru) so about 98% full and I doubt the Sunday flight only has 6 bookings. Does anyone know if the 370 pax figure is inaccurate?
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:40 am

as someone who frequents North American-TLV flights, I can tell you anywhere for 1/4-1/2 of those people are connecting onwards to Chicago,South Florida,California and some other places, which further complicates things. I think that DL should and may be booking people on flights to their destination via AMS,SVO and FCO. I imagine flights leaving Israel are very full these days, further complicating things. When things settle down, normal traffic flow in both directions will resume.
 
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:58 am

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 11):
Per the news article, the pax are going to have to wait about 20 hours for what I presume would be the same scheduled Sunday night flight to JFK, wouldn't be pertinent to use another SkyTeam member to get some off the pax to JFK via AMS or CDG, etc. LY has a TLV-JFK flight as well.

The article stats 370 pax (out of 376 possible per Seat Guru) so about 98% full and I doubt the Sunday flight only has 6 bookings. Does anyone know if the 370 pax figure is inaccurate?

DL469 did cancel, but the same aircraft N668US, is going to fly out of TLV as DL9859 2230 local 13July, and arrive 0330 14July local in JFK.

The routing of N668US is TLV-JFK-DTW-MNL, so I am assuming DL is going to put those 370 pax on the new flight number, on the same airplane.

The JFK-DTW is a ferry/reposition flight, so if they were going to ferry/reposition from TLV, i'd assume it would fly direct to DTW.

I don't think it would affect the regular scheduled flight for Sunday, but I am sure that pax count will change due to pax getting off and having different routes, due to a hefty delay.

If any info is updated, please correct me.

https://www.delta.com/flifo/servlet/DeltaFlifo?airline_code=DL&flight_number=9859&flight_date=07/13/2014&request=main
https://www.delta.com/flifo/servlet/DeltaFlifo?airline_code=DL&flight_number=9932&flight_date=07/14/2014&request=main
 
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:57 am

This is my favorite part:

From the article that was linked earlier:

"Flight 469 — a Boeing 747 with 370 passengers and 17 crew members aboard — landed safely back at Ben Gurion Airport around 2:30 a.m"

DL 747s sit exactly 370 people. They simply Googled the seating total and reported it as total pax number.

There is realistically basically a 0% chance it went out completely 100% full.

Quoting flymichael21 (Reply 13):
The JFK-DTW is a ferry/reposition flight, so if they were going to ferry/reposition from TLV, i'd assume it would fly direct to DTW.
Quoting flymichael21 (Reply 13):
TLV as DL9859

I agree with your reasoning, but DL9859 is a ferry flight number.

Probably going to JFK to swap out crews if I had to guess. Is JFK a 747 pilot base for DL?

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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:21 am

Quoting flymichael21 (Reply 13):
DL469 did cancel, but the same aircraft N668US, is going to fly out of TLV as DL9859 2230 local 13July, and arrive 0330 14July local in JFK.

This cues to me that DL may probably cut down on TLV flights until the issues there get settled. I would hate to lose one of those 744s  
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:26 am

Quoting bchandl (Reply 14):
There is realistically basically a 0% chance it went out completely 100% full.

Why do you say that? Many flights are completely full this time of year.
 
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:29 am

With the rocket threat, the US carriers must have an issue putting up crews in TLV at this moment. Other airlines have elected to take their crews out of Israel.

Over the last few days, some European airlines have relocated their crews to LCA on Cyrpus and their flights currently make a crew-stop on the home bound leg, to replace crews.
 
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:39 am

Quoting factsonly (Reply 17):
With the rocket threat, the US carriers must have an issue putting up crews in TLV at this moment. Other airlines have elected to take their crews out of Israel.

If an American carrier is flying to TLV, they have to be putting crew up in hotels or they would be timing out.

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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:50 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):

Agreed. Even if nonrevs filled the remaining empty seats, and it's totally possible, it still went out 100% full
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:45 am

Quoting bchandl (Reply 14):
DL 747s sit exactly 370 people. They simply Googled the seating total and reported it as total pax number.

Nope. 376. So there were 6 open seats. And I agree with the previous poster -- it didn't say 370 revenue pax, it said 370 pax. Now is a big nonrev time of year.

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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:07 am

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 11):
wouldn't be pertinent to use another SkyTeam member to get some off the pax to JFK via AMS or CDG, etc

Doesn't have to be SkyTeam, airlines have fares to accommodate stranded pax from other airlines regardless of whether they're in an alliance or not. If you wanted to reroute yourself, you might stand a better chance of getting on another airline if it is in the same alliance, but behind the scenes it is much less important. Put it this way, if BA cancel a flight out of Tokyo, you stand an exactly equal chance of being rebooked on Virgin, Nippon or JAL.

Quoting bchandl (Reply 14):
There is realistically basically a 0% chance it went out completely 100% full.

Rubbish! In a busy period, it is entirely possible to have not the same number of pax as there are seats but indeed MORE - the revenue department get a bit aggressive with overbooking and everyone shows up, you could have up to 20 pax turned away. And even if everything works out and 268 pax turn up for a plane with 270 seats, you've still got 14 non-revs trying to get on. Anyone who has flown standby knows, you can wait for days for a seat. Certainly hours. Believe me, there are plenty of flights every day with every seat full, and non-revs on open jumpseats. If this Delta 747 had six free seats out of 376, that is a masterstroke of load control.
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:24 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):

Quoting flymichael21 (Reply 13):
DL469 did cancel, but the same aircraft N668US, is going to fly out of TLV as DL9859 2230 local 13July, and arrive 0330 14July local in JFK.

This cues to me that DL may probably cut down on TLV flights until the issues there get settled. I would hate to lose one of those 744s  

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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:56 pm

Does anyone know how often BA or LH orchestrate emergency landings due to mechanical issues? From reading the news, I would say the US carriers make many times more emergency landings than European carriers. These soft emergencies seem to happen periodically on DL 767/747 aircraft, both of which are older, and you have to wonder if cost considerations in its fleet planning or maintenance schemes are having an impact on its ability to operate reliably. It's normal to have regular maintenance issues, but expecting everyone to roll their eyes and say this was no big deal is really asking a lot of people who paid dearly for their tickets.
 
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RE: Delta 469 Circling Out Of TLV

Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:56 pm

Quoting MesaflyGuy (Reply 22):
Get 'em while you can! JFK-TLV and JFK-NRT are switching to 777s soon.

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