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Crew rest for aircraft sitting on the ground for 8+ hours

Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:20 am

United has a flight to GRU where a 787 sits for around 12 hours. Due to the sit being more than eight hours, do they use the same crew for the return trip, or is there a crew change.
 
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Re: Crew rest for aircraft sitting on the ground for 8+ hours

Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:59 am

The fact they have just come off a long flight tells me no, it would be another crew, perhaps the one that flew in the day(s) before.
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Re: Crew rest for aircraft sitting on the ground for 8+ hours

Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:40 am

I think that would come down to their union agreements. I could certainly do a 9.5 hr like EWR-GRU have. 11 hr reast and come back under our rules.
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Re: Crew rest for aircraft sitting on the ground for 8+ hours

Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:26 am

As Zeke said it's down to regulations. I don't know the FAA regulations but under EASA it would be legal to use the same crew. Minimum Rest according EASA for a standard flight (I don't fly long haul but I think this has to be increased if you are flying with an augmented crew, but for an 9 hour flight this should not be the case) is 12 hours at homebase and 10 hours at an outstation. Maybe someone knows the FAA rules that apply here.
 
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Re: Crew rest for aircraft sitting on the ground for 8+ hours

Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:44 am

FAA rules are noted in this article. Under FAA rules, it should be legal for the same crew to return. However, if the inbound is delayed, the return flight would also have to be delayed until the crew became legal. It's 10 hours break with 8 hours of sleep.
 
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Re: Crew rest for aircraft sitting on the ground for 8+ hours

Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:09 am

In this instance the crew does not operate the return on the same day they arrive.
 
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Re: Crew rest for aircraft sitting on the ground for 8+ hours

Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:32 pm

Pedantic SW. ON/ Planes don’t get crew rest, crews do. Except at some stations it’s ONLY the plane resting. /Pedantic Sw. OFF

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Re: Crew rest for aircraft sitting on the ground for 8+ hours

Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:35 am

sCO contract allow the flight attendants to layover the 12 hours and come back, but not sUA contract. So 787/767-400 flight attendants to GRU usually do the 12 hour layover. Any 767-300 to GRU will have the flight attendants lay over for 30+ and take the return the next day. You'll see these kinds of flights at GIG and EZE as well, but they usually have the long layover there, regardless of subsidiary.

FAA rules for flight attendants on scheduled duty days 14 hours or less is 9 hours free from duty. This can be reduced to 8 hours free from duty so long as they get 10 hours free from duty within a 24 hour time period. Rules for a duty day scheduled OVER 14 hours is 12 hours free from duty. This can be reduced to 10 hours free from duty so long as they get 14 hours free from duty within a 24 hour time period. This is just the bare minimum, most FA contracts require rest well over these. The combined CO/UA contract when it goes into effect is much more similar to the much more restrictive current sUA contract, so the 12 hour layovers will probably go away.

Pilots are another story. Not as familiar with FAR 117 rules but I'm 99.9% sure they would need to have the long layover.

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