william
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FDX And UPS Pilot Schedules

Thu May 11, 2000 10:15 am

I have always wondered. Does your normal FDX or UPS overnight pilot fly one two legs a night? Example:Austin to Memphis and back to Memphis again. Do the pilots fly to Austin in the morning and spend all day in Austin only to wait to the evening to fly back to Memphis? Or do the pilots catch a flight back home to Memphis after arriving in Austin,and vice versa for the evening flight?

Its hard for me to comprehend that pilots would only fly one leg be it from Louiville or Memphis to outgoing cities and stay there ALL DAY doing nothing. If that was the case,you probably build your flight time slowly.

Though you guys do get paid very,very well. More than most airlines,maybe that the enticement to what would be very little flying time everyday.
 
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RE: FDX And UPS Pilot Schedules

Thu May 11, 2000 11:27 am

On the B757 for UPS, pilots can fly up to 4 or 5 legs a night. Most trips fly into one of our sort centers (SDF, ONT, PHL, Rockford, Ill) from all over the country, sit 3 or 4 hours and than fly out to a new city, than go to the hotel. Some crews might fly a couple of legs into the sort and than a couple of legs after departing the sort. It all depends on the equipment your on, your line and seniority.

We have some trips that depart KSDF in the afternoon 3-5pm and than return to KSDF around 12-2am (turns) flying "2nd day air" packages. These can be nice if you live in Louisville except you'll work more days since you don't lay over anywhere. We also have morning turns which mirror the afternoon turns except on the backside of the clock and they fly "next day" air packages.

I used to fly afternoon "turns" such as SDF-PHX-SDF on the B767. You'd leave Louisville around 4:00pm, fly to PHX sit there a couple hours, than fly back to Louisville arriving around 2am. I've also done that same trip on a morning turn...not alot of fun!

Then there's the international trips........I won't get into that.

We probably fly on average half as many hours as the pax airlines but our duty days can be long. I average about 350-400 hrs a year.
 
william
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RE: FDX And UPS Pilot Schedules

Fri May 12, 2000 8:42 am

So if you are fortunate enough to have enough senorioty,you can fly to one of the cities that have midday return flights (carrying 2day,3day packages) to the hub,so you can be home everynight. Right?

And if you are low on the totem poll,you will fly to one of those cities that do not have afternoon flights,and sit ALL DAY IN A HOTEL till that night? Right. If thats the case,thats not much flying,don't you think.

I really would like to figure this out. I always wandered why some pilots skip the airlines and go to aircargo. At least with the airlines you are on the road for about three days a week. It appears with cargo you work 5 days a week,and spend all day in a strange city,waiting till night to fly home.

Thank you for your responses.
 
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RE: FDX And UPS Pilot Schedules

Fri May 12, 2000 10:06 am

>>I really would like to figure this out. I always wandered why some pilots skip the airlines and go to aircargo.<<

Gee...I thought UPS, FedEx, Airborne,..etc were airlines??

We're also license commercial pilots with ATP's and everything .....sorry, couldn't help it..I hear comments like that alot. One flight attendant ask me one day if a person needs a multi-engine rating to fly for UPS.  

Some people, me included, would rather just fly freight and not have to deal with the ever increasing whiney general public all day. Most pax ops also fly at night (red-eye flight), just like us, and our all daytime flights are increasing. The lines are beginning to blur between our schedules and theirs.



>>At least with the airlines you are on the road for about three days a week. It appears with cargo you work 5 days a week,and spend all day in a strange city,waiting till night to fly home.<<

We tend to have week on/week off or 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off type schedules. Staying in a hotel all day is no different than the pax carriers staying in a hotel all night and than flying home. The only difference is we are sleeping during the day.
 
william
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RE: FDX And UPS Pilot Schedules

Fri May 12, 2000 11:32 am

Thank you for your responses HeavyJet. I didn't mean to belittle your flying creditentials. I know you guys are just as qualified as the majors carrying pax,and yes the FAA considers UPS,FDX and Airborne airlines.

I am a shipping manager at my place of employment,so I meet UPS,FDX,ABX,and DHL sales reps frequently. Thus the reference of air cargo. By the way the UPS reps give out the most freebees(a plus for your company).

But please entertain some more questions on this matter.

Do most pilots live in the hub cities? And do any pilots catch airline flights back home after the morning flight out,and vice versa for the evening? And for some one low on senioriority,whats the worst city pair could you get?

Thanks again for taking the time answer my questions.
 
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RE: FDX And UPS Pilot Schedules

Fri May 12, 2000 12:43 pm

>>Do most pilots live in the hub cities?<<

I'd say most live in or near our 3 pilot domicles (SDF, ONT, MIA), however, it's not a requirement to live there. I'd venture to guess we have pilots living in all 50 states.

>>And do any pilots catch airline flights back home after the morning flight out,and vice versa for the evening?<<

If it's the last trip for them on that particular pairing, the company buys tickets to get the crewmember back to his/her domicle. Some pilots catch an airline flight home as soon as they can.

>>And for some one low on senioriority,whats the worst city pair could you get?<<

Hard to answer for everyone since it can be subjective. What equipment? International or domestic? Day or night trip? One person's bad trip (city pair) is another's dream trip. Depends on where you live, what you like to do and where you want to go. I think most low seniority crewmembers are happy just to get a regular line and get off "reserve". We're very short of pilots right now and reserves are being used alot.
 
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RE: FDX And UPS Pilot Schedules

Fri May 12, 2000 1:18 pm

I had a conversation with a Federal Express pilot last month. When I asked him why he choose to fly frieghters he said, "Because boxes don't bitch."

 
Mark

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RE: FDX And UPS Pilot Schedules

Fri May 12, 2000 11:42 pm

>>I had a conversation with a Federal Express pilot last month. When I asked him why he choose to fly frieghters he said, "Because boxes don't bitch."<<

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