speedbird092
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How Do They Do That?

Tue Jan 30, 2001 3:11 am

Hey all you aviation experts!

I've come across this photo and am left scratching my head. Could someone tell me how to execute such an extreme crosswind landing?


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Thanks in advance,
Speedbird092
 
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Tue Jan 30, 2001 3:24 am

Crosswind Landing????
I call that a CFIT!
(Controlled Flight Into Terrain)
 
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Tue Jan 30, 2001 4:10 am

To execute such a crosswind landing one has to be completely oblivious that there is a rudder. Or that the rudder has failed, or it has just been completely blown off the aircraft.

Falling asleep might induce such a landing along with unconciousness.

Qauntas 747 flights are quite long so I'm putting my vote in for "asleep"

JET

 
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Tue Jan 30, 2001 7:26 am

To land like that, just crab into the wind and land.
Jetpilot, the pilots aren't being lazy. In a 747 the pilots cant slip wing low into the crosswind because they have engines hanging off halfway down the wing! Take a closer look at the picture and look at how close the engines are to the ground wings level.
 
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Tue Jan 30, 2001 8:25 am

The DC8, which I have flown, is more restrictive of bank angle when in ground efect than the 747. The max bank allowed on a DC8 is 7 degrees. Anything more and you are in danger of scraping an engine.

The proper procedure for landing in a crosswind is to approach in a crab and kick in the rudder just before touchdown. You are limited in your bank but not prohibitted.

The rudder in the above picture is completely faired wit hthe stabilizer. It's a sloppy landing. It happens. But If I were the captain and I saw the first officer landing like this I would have been screaming "how about some rudder".

The landing is poor.

JET
 
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:18 am

How do they do that?

Answer: Forget everything they were ever taught about landing in a crosswind. That is the absolute worst crosswind landing ive ever seen. You do not land an airplane crabbed..it can screw up the landing gear and toasts the tires- even if it has wide engines. My dad used to fly the 747 and he performed normal crosswind landings in that puppy... It looks like the pilot also maybe misaligned on final.
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Tue Jan 30, 2001 4:00 pm

Bad landning....YES......but it does make for one hell of an interesting shot!
 
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Tue Jan 30, 2001 6:31 pm

I think this guy screwed up the landing some way or another,but some planes are actually recommended to land with a crab in x-wind conditions.
Dornier told us that their DO-228 should be landed with a crab,and the x-wind landings actually turned out better that way!
Many jet fighters also land with a crab.
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Tue Jan 30, 2001 6:59 pm

Mr. Boeing's 747s can take a far worse battering than that on landing!!! No doubt you have seen HKGSpotter1's photos of the Air China landing at Kai Tak with a huge crab angle, or my sequence of the NCA landing, also at Kai Tak with a huge crab angle? Both times, little or no damage was done to the aircaft. People land like that all the time!!!
 
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 2:33 am

jetpilot, i stand corrected, i guess i've been talking to too many ex b-52 pilots.
 
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 6:39 am

Yeah the B52 has those castering Bogey's. I hear they are good for parallel parking.

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RE: How Do They Do That?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 9:57 am

wish I could see the rest of that story
 
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RE: How Do They Do That?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 3:21 am

Thanks for all the replies, but could someone just let me in on what crabbing an aircraft actually means?

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RE: How Do They Do That?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 4:37 am

Crabbing is where you put your nose into the wind to correct for wind drift, they do this so the wind does not blow them of course.
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