portcolumbus
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Atis

Mon Apr 16, 2001 8:37 am

At what time of the flight do pilots listen to the ATIS info? Can you talk to ATC and be listening to ATIS at the same time, or is it one or the other?
 
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RE: Atis

Mon Apr 16, 2001 8:53 am

Good question, sometimes when I hear pilots over ATC ask for wind and altimeter, I wonder about the ATIS. Dosent ATIS cut off after an aircraft is in closer proximity to the airport?
-Tom
 
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RE: Atis

Mon Apr 16, 2001 8:53 am

One should already have the atis info before they talk to a controller.
 
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RE: Atis

Mon Apr 16, 2001 8:57 am

You listen to ATIS before you taxi and before you are about to land (normally a frequency or 2 before).
If your airplane is equipped with 2 radios, then you can tune one into ATC and set it if you click your mic that you speak to them and you can select the other so you can just listen to ATIS. You can normally get ATIS very quickly and you do not miss anything, however if you hear your call sign you just turn ATIS down and listen. It takes practice but it gets easy after a while.
If you only have one radio, you call up ATC and ask for a frequency change to ATIS, normally they are fine with it. However you have to report back on!
If you have forgotten depending on the controller and their workload, they might give it to you real quick (be sure to thank them), or they will tell you to get it.
Some airlines use ACARS to get ATIS as I am not an airline pilot I only have basic knowledge on this however it prints it out on a little printer so you have a copy in your hand.
Also when ATIS changes on ground/tower they will update it for you, however I have never had approach do this for me.
Hope this helps!
Iain
 
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RE: Atis

Mon Apr 16, 2001 9:04 am

Well it seems very common that the big guys are asking ATC for ATIS.

-Tom
 
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RE: Atis

Mon Apr 16, 2001 9:04 am

King767, not that I have noticed, however if you are close they will give it to you. The reason you hear wind and altimeter, is because the altimeter setting is very important for instrument approaches. And when the wind is gusty or not very constant the controllers are continuously reading for everyone on the airport, however some airplanes also put in a request if they need it.
Stallspeed what happens if you are flying with Class Charlie services? Then you are talking to some one the whole duration of your flight.
Iain
 
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RE: Atis

Mon Apr 16, 2001 9:05 am

I was on an American Airlines flight, LAX-OAK. The pilots got the ATIS from an ACARS printout back in SBA. In this situation, ACARS was helpful because SBA is obviously out of range for the OAK ATIS. On this particular day, a storm was moving through the Bay Area, thus changing the active runway.
 
portcolumbus
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RE: Atis

Mon Apr 16, 2001 9:06 am

Thanks for the info, it was bugging me.



Joey
 
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RE: Atis

Mon Apr 16, 2001 9:12 am

King767 some airports are not able to give ATIS via ACARS, so they do have to listen to it.
Modesto, they where probably getting it throughout the whole flight to monitar the goings on if the weather was bad!
Iain
 
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RE: Iain

Tue Apr 17, 2001 10:48 am

Am I just paranoid or are you busting my chops?  Smile Anyway I'm not sure what you mean by class charlie services. Are you refering to class C airspace?

I go IFR regularly. I am talking to someone all the time. However it is still a good idea to stay one step ahead of the controller. Have the ATIS of your destination if posible before center hands you off to approach. The Approach controller may tell you:"Information___ is current, bla, bla, bla" however, more than likely it is an abreviated ATIS. A good pilot knows that the there may be new NOTAMs since he/she departed, or other important information, that the controller omitted. Furthermore some controllers become rather annoyed if you don't pick up the ATIS before you talk to them.
One last thought. If you're sharp, and have the ATIS before you talk to them, and you stay ahead of the game, the controller is more likely to trust you, and give you what you ask for. If you can't keep up, or the controller doesn't trust you, there is a good chance that the controller will be giving you vectors to hector, then ask you if you have a calender handy before they give you the EFC.
 
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RE: Atis

Tue Apr 17, 2001 1:26 pm

Stallspeed said everytyhing i wanted to say.

Yes, Class Charlie= Class C
Chicks dig winglets.
 
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RE: Atis

Tue Apr 17, 2001 3:52 pm

On a side note, I have noticed that the airline guys always state the ATIS code on initial contact with the TRACON.
 
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RE: Atis

Tue Apr 17, 2001 4:12 pm

Yep, be polite and ahead of the game.. get your ATIS/AWOS before initial contact, en route(monitoring the airports you are flying near), and before contacting approach at your destination.
Chicks dig winglets.
 
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RE: Atis

Tue Apr 17, 2001 9:34 pm

Class Charlie services basically asking on intial contact (Ground) for flight following. I guess it got its name due to always being done at Class Charlie airports.

It is always a good idea to be ahead of the game, and ofcourse we all try our best. However their are sometimes we forget or busying doing other things.
Iain
 
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RE: Iainhol

Thu Apr 19, 2001 6:49 am

We all have had times where we get behind the power curve mentally. Or slam dunked by ATC. But there are things we can do to lessen the impact.
One habit to get into is to constantly ask yourself what next? Can I tune a radio for the next frquency? Can I tune in and identify my next nav frequency? Do I have the ATIS? Have I reviewed the approach proceedure? You must be constantly thinking ahead of the aircraft.
When your rattling around in a 172 you have time to spare. But when you start flying the fast stuff, you won't have the luxury.
Start some good habits now.
 
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RE: Atis

Thu Apr 19, 2001 7:12 am

Stallspeed, I am actually pretty good about getting ATIS and things like that. I only remember forgetting it once on my way into LAS.
But thanks anyway!
Iain
 
Qantas737
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RE: Atis

Thu Apr 19, 2001 9:39 pm

I hate it when I have listened to the ATIS and remembered it all and then go to get airways clearance and forget the ATIS code. Seems to happen more when the instructor seems like he's in a picky mood and your all tense and nervous  Big grin
 
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RE: Atis

Thu Apr 19, 2001 10:19 pm

Qantas, in the begining I used to write down the whole ATIS information, after a while I used to just tag the letter of the ATIS code, and listen for the rest!
Iain
 
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RE: Quantis 737

Wed Apr 25, 2001 11:00 am

Perhaps you need tofind an instructor that has better control of his/her emotions. After all, that instructor is working for you.

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