david b.
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Night Taxing And Flying

Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:39 am

Is it usual to fly at night without exterior lights. I remember a few a years ago, on a flight to Japan, we took off from JFK and looking out the windows, I didn't see any lights on the wing.
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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Tue Jul 17, 2001 2:12 pm

CFR 91.209 states
No person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticolision lights. HOWEVER the anticolision lights need not be lighted when the pilot in command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off.
 
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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:12 pm

It's 14 CFR 91.209  Big thumbs up and in addition to what you stated, it also says that any aircraft operated between sunset and sunrise must have lighted position lights.

CFR is the Code of Federal Regulations, not the FAR (Federal Aviation Regulations). Title 14 of the CFR is the FAR.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Tue Jul 17, 2001 6:13 pm

i think he means landing lights, and yes that would be a comon pratice
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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Fri Jul 20, 2001 8:03 am

Also, it's not always possible to see the exterior lights from the interior. You couldn't see them in a Cessna were it note for those little plastic tubes on the wingtip.
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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Fri Jul 20, 2001 8:12 am

When flying thru dense clouds or fog and the wing tip lights or rotating beacon or strobe lites are causing a reflection into the cockpit you turn them off. Regards Oldman
 
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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Fri Jul 20, 2001 2:01 pm

Rotating beacon?????? NEVER !!! Same for NAV lights.

Strobes....yes

And as far as taking of without landing lights....no its not a common practice.....I have never seen it and have never heard of it.

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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Fri Jul 20, 2001 10:42 pm

In the clouds who will see the rotating beacon? If they are that close it's to late..

The aircraft I retired from had strobe nav lites.

I have taken off with out landing lights although not a common practise, under conditions such as dense fog ie: 300 rvr or blowing snow will definately afford you more forward visibility and better direction control. Regards, Oldman
 
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Correction

Sat Jul 21, 2001 1:22 am

I made a mistake in the previous reply. The aircraft that I retired from did not have strobe (colored) nav. lites. Just strobe (white) flashers on the wing tips that were turned off in reduced vis at night. Sorry, Oldman
 
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RE: Correction

Sat Jul 21, 2001 4:40 am

I have also taken off at night without using landing lights. Also, once inawhile, the "rotating" (most newer ones don't rotate anymore  Big thumbs up) beacon does get annoying in reduced vis at night and I'll turn it off, though it doesn't happen very often.

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Western727
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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Sat Jul 21, 2001 9:17 am


This brings up an interesting question:

14 CFR 91.205 states that in order to fly VFR at night, you must have, among other things:

Approved position lights (navigation lights - or the red and green running lights on either wingtip, a rotating red beacon and a white tail light)

An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system.

And if the aircraft is operated for hire, one electric landing light.

Now, does this mean that you have to use them? Or does it mean that the aircraft has to be merely equipped with them? Is it any different for IFR flight?
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Lights

Sun Jul 22, 2001 7:31 am

I've been told that landing lights are required below FL100, and all the others- strobes, nav, and taxi lights are "as required". Hmmm...

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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Sun Jul 22, 2001 9:31 am

Landing lights arent required below 10,000 (theres no FL100).

It's in the AIM and it's recommended. Below 10,000 AGL and within 10 nm of an airport if I remember correctly.

Nav lights need to be on one hour after evening civil twilight and one hour after morning civil sunrise.

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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Sun Jul 22, 2001 9:00 pm

hey Jetpilot,

No FL100, Are you joking, the PANS recommend that the transition altitude is the lowest possible altitude, but preferably not under 3000 ft. In Most countries, the transition alt. and thus also level is situated WELL below 10000ft.

By the way, ALWAYS put on your NAV lights for safety, do not depart (even in general aviation) without the Beacon light. Just plain sense and airmanship.
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RE: Night Taxing And Flying

Mon Jul 23, 2001 12:01 am


For the past while, AOPA has favored a concept called "operation lights on." Where all operational lights are turned on, including the nav and anti-collision, day or night. I think it's a great idea, except I think I'd still follow the rule where you only use your landing light within 10 NM of the airport during the day. Landing lights burn out easily, at least in the airplanes that I'm flying right now.
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