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Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Mon Sep 10, 2001 1:10 am

I've been in a discussion with my dad regarding colorschemes on aircraft, both special ones like the anniversary ones and regular schemes. Are they painted or are the actually decalls stuck on the plane??

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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:14 am

Painted.
 
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:17 am

Thanks, that's what I thought!!

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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Mon Sep 10, 2001 3:33 am

Decals are very heavily used on aircraft. For instance, World Airways is pure decal. Most major airline titles and tails are decals.
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Mon Sep 10, 2001 3:39 am

NWA`s 747 "World Plane" markings have all been decals, the largest ever made by the manufacturer, 3M.

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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Mon Sep 10, 2001 1:17 pm

Sorry, but I find that a little hard to believe-wouldn't they heavily corrode going over 600 miles an hour with wind, and everything else? Or is a protective coating sprayed over them?
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:58 pm

World Airways' use of stickers makes sense, because they frequently wetlease their planes and need to put o.a. titles on their a/c.
 
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Mon Sep 10, 2001 3:23 pm

Complicated Logos on the Vertical Fin/Rudder is sometimes Decal.
Most Airlines use paint.
Decals are easier to install & remove.
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Tue Sep 11, 2001 12:36 am

Maybe a little confusion on the matter is caused by the fact that the masks that are used temporarily for painting are made and applied similarly to the stay-on decals. But the masks are removed after spraying the paint.
 
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Tue Sep 11, 2001 1:03 am

I´ve flown with B-HOX, Cathay´s special-livery "Millennium"-Jumbo and can tell its made from decals.
 
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Tue Sep 11, 2001 1:11 pm

We are not talking about decals anything similar to what you put on a model airplane. These things are very sturdy. When I worked on aircraft, The time allocated on a non routine card to remove AA titles from a DC-10 was more than that allowed for the AD on the spoiler mixers. For a simple decal application on the World MD-11, we allowed about 12 man hours.

Paint is much easier to remove. Spray on the remover and wait. Decals you take pieces of phenolic, heat guns, and a manlift or two and scrape all day long.
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Tue Sep 11, 2001 4:36 pm

I have been around experiments with both painting and dacaling on a variety of aircraft. My opinion is paint it!

Depending on the aircraft, and where the "object" is to be placed can make the differance where the logo is to placed. This can't be learned except by trial and error.

Some aircraft are exceptionaly clean in some areas, meaning that the decal won't last.

The Merlin III B, forget putting a decal on fusalage forward of the cockpit and on the nacelles. Gone in a 100 hours, nothing left but the glue.

The Lear 25 & 35, forget the fusalage from nose to engine inlets, nacells OK. Tail OK. Under the cockpit side windows, 25 hours maybe.

Metro III decals are OK anywhere on the airframe except nacelles, heat and oil oozing.

Cessna 441, okay anywhere, go figure, it's a fast, fly high airplane.

Any piston twin, okay except on nacelles, to much oil oozing.
 
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:27 am

What about Qantas' Wunula Dreaming and Nalanji color schemes? Are they decals or painted? In addition, is Thai's Royal Barge scheme on their 747-400 painted? If so approximately how long does it take to paint those elaborate color schemes?
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Sun Sep 23, 2001 6:53 am

Some are painted, some are decal and many are combinations of both.

Take a look at the Western Pacific 737 photos. They are the best example of decal and paint combinations.


Most of the decals are a 3M product. As far as eroding or falling off in flight - when properly installed a clear coat sealant is applied to the edges of the decal and in some instances a clear coat is applied to the entire decal.
 
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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Sun Sep 23, 2001 5:39 pm

While on the topic..

How often would an aircraft be repainted in it's lifetime?

How often does it need repainting if it stays with the same airline and has the same livery for many years?

Does painting and repainting affect the metal underneath after a while, or does it help preserve it longer?

Sorry for being so inquisitive but I really want to know!!

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RE: Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?

Sun Sep 23, 2001 6:08 pm

VapourTrails,

I don't have an exact number as to how often an aircraft needs to be repainted in it's lifetime. I do know that since the EPA has changed the rules about what can be used in paint the paint dosen't seem to hold up as well. Maybe someone with a little more experience with this can answer your question.

If the a/c stays with the same livery it can go many years without needing repainting. Just remember that when an a/c goes in for heavy maint. roughly every 4 years the painters do touch up the a/c.

The other day I saw a 757 in the paint hangar which had been stripped from the old livery which it wore for about 10 years. The metal where the paint was looked like a mirror. So to answer your question yes paint does preserve the metal.

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