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Average Solo Times?

Sat Oct 13, 2001 4:33 am

Hello all,

I was just wondering, for those PPL and above out there how many hours you had when you soloed for the first time, and if anyone has statistics on what the average solo time is...

Thanks,
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sat Oct 13, 2001 5:37 am

8.3 for me.... 10-20 hours for average.
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sat Oct 13, 2001 5:59 am

Ok thanks...I am up to 15 hours now, I think I am close to it, my instructors were hinting at it the other day, I was just curious...

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sat Oct 13, 2001 6:04 am

I soloed when I had around 40 hours. The catch is I started flying lessons when I was 14. (ie. changing CFIs like 10 times)

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sat Oct 13, 2001 6:22 am

Hi USAFHummer.

I agree with XFSUgimpLB41X. When I did my First Solo in 1986, the average time was 15 hrs. It took me 18 hrs though, thanks to the weather in Toronto during the winter. My flight school's policy was that...if 30 days or more passed between lessons, your next lesson had to be a review of your last one. You couldn't advance to the next exercise. That was BullSh*t if you ask me. It was a way to get more money out of the students. It was also an insult...sugesting that I had no memory! Who knows what Transport Canada's PPL training rules are today.

I remember having a Cessna 150/52 booked for Friday, Saturday and Sunday every weekend for 3 months in the winter of 86, and every lesson was cancelled due to weather! That sure didn't help any.

I guess every country and flight school is different in the area of rules.

Also, some schools allow their students to fly around the pattern 2 or 3 times, performing a few Touch and Go's during their First Solo flight. Some only allow one trip around the patch. Like mine!

PS. I tape recorded my First Solo from the cockpit. It's cool to listen to now and then.

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sat Oct 13, 2001 6:50 am

My first solo was at 12 hours, it was the best flight I ever had!

Like Chris said every school will set a limit of circuit patterns you can fly, mine was only one. Be sure to know how much you are allowed, I know someone who flew 6 circuits before the tower called him up and tell him that the school wants him to make this landing a full stop, the instructor forgot to brief him on the 1 circuit limit.

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sat Oct 13, 2001 9:05 am

Thanks again all...I am on Lesson 8 of my flight school's program, solo is Lesson 11, and it takes me approximately 1 to 2 flights to complete one of the lessons, so I have about 4 to 6 lessons left, which, if all goes well on my current schedule, would set the big date for sometime in late October or early November, I'll keep you guys posted...

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sat Oct 13, 2001 10:22 am

7.8
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sat Oct 13, 2001 11:53 am

9 hours
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sun Oct 14, 2001 3:44 pm

I had to dig up my log book for this one!  Smile

I did my solo at 30 hours, not becuase im slow, but becuase thats what i could afford. I could only go up maybe 1-2 times a week, but i believe it made a better pilot out of me.

My school made me do 3 times around, no biggie, except for the fact that my instructor was sitting at the picnic tables near the threshold taking pictures Big grin.

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sun Oct 14, 2001 8:31 pm

9 hours for me
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Sun Oct 14, 2001 9:33 pm

i did mine at 9 hours
im pretty sure i could have done it at atleast 7 if i did it full time and the wheather wasnt crapp. i reamember i was ment to do it at 8 hours but the wheather wasnt good and i wanted to fly anyway so i went up for an hour with the instructor. i now have 37 hours and im about to start my nav training.
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:20 pm

Would have been 11 hrs but bad wx led to 13.
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:28 am

7.5 for myself but the flight school here at the airport averages around 15-20 hours per student. Alot of it depends on the student themselves, my time was on the low side while i've heard of and know some students who end up with 40 50 hours before hand. But once you solo it is a feeling that you never come down from.
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:43 am

To answer the question: I don't really remember. Which tells you how much significance time to solo has in my mind. There's guys who take forever to solo, and pass their checkride right off. Then there's people who solo right off, and bust their checkride. To solo means that you only have the eye/hand, physical control of the airplane down. There are so many more components of a safe, competent pilot. So why worry about comparing solo times?
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 6:10 pm

Forget about averages for solo times and stuff, meaningless. Different scenarios, different course, different weather etc etc lead to eronious figures.


You go when your ready, not when to average says you should.

You go when your instructor says your ready, not when the syllabus says you should.


ie. You fly from a paddock, where you land in any direction and take off in any direction, and where there is no travel to a designated training area, it will take you 5 hours to go solo.

If you fly from a busy GA aerodrome, where you are always holding and there is alot of taxiing, lots of go arounds and weather is shitty, strong x-winds, and where the training area is not directly adjacent to the aerodrome, it can take what will seem like an eternity.

So forget about averages, forget about going solo, it will happen, but the more you think about it, the more pressure you put on yourself and thats the last thing you need.

Trust me, I speak from experience.

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:42 am

I soloed at a little under 20 I believe...I only fly on weekends though so if I flew more frequently it would have been sooner.
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:13 am

It used to be "normal" to solo around 8 hours, but that was then, now there is just too much stuff to know and be proficient with to get it done much before 15 to 20 hours.
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:21 am

10 hrs. to the first solo. I took my flying lessons in EDTF (Freiburg-Germany)) that at times has strong x-winds with lots of turbulence on approach to runway 16.
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 3:52 pm

9.8 hours of dual instruction and 28 landings. is what i needed before I soloed (which was just on this thursday)

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:06 pm

About 12 hours for me. I had about 3 1/2 hours worth of circuit flying before hand - approx. 1 hour more than what the average was for my course (EFT).

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:21 pm

Since I started this thread way back when and never provided the promised update, I'll give it now:

Looking back on my logbook, the elusive first solo finally occured on November 27, 2001 after 23.7 hrs...

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:29 pm

19.9 Hours

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:45 pm

5H46. The plane was quite easy to fly (rallye).
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:05 pm

Started on my PPL in November and soloed in March, after 14 hrs. Couldn't fly for 6 weeks around Christmas, due to the not-so-efficient bureaucratic machine in the US. After 6 hrs dual, I appearenly had the wrong visa...

Sucks to be a foreigner sometimes! Big grin

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:47 am

As others have mentioned, don't make a big deal about time. I know it's a big milestone but you need to solo when you are ready and safe. And safe is the most important factor at the end of the day. Flying is a wonderful activity but make a mistake and it can bite. Keep that in the forefront of your mind and you will fly forever Smile

There will always be someone better than you, flew whatever before you, quicker than you etc. Don't worry about it. If you do, you put needless obsticles in your way. You get one out of the way and another will loom.

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:23 am

I soloed on something of about 25 or so hours. I would have done it quicker but I kept taking long breaks 'cause of school, and at the time only flew on weekends.


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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:04 am

I think it was around 22 hours for me. Everytime I was ready, it was either too windy or the clouds/vis would not permit it.
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:03 pm

19.3

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:07 pm

4 hrs and 20 minutes

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:45 pm

15.1 hours for me...
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:23 pm

I think it's generally a combination of time and duration. Like anything, if you train constantly, you will fly fewer hours. I sat down and saved all the money first, so when I learned to fly, it was typically 2-3 times a week. I soloed in 7 hours, and got my PPL in 41.3. 58 days from beginning to end.

If you only fly once a week, it'll take more time and hours.

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:50 am

Right around 15 logged for me...
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:14 am

I was signed off and ready to go at 9 or so, but didn't do it until 17. Contributing factors: Weather, personal schedule conflicts. Oh well. I say don't put too much worry into how many hours till this, and how many hours until that. When you get up to the 1500TT, 200MT to apply for a regional, whether or not you soloed at the nat'l average of XX hours probably isn't gonna make or break you. lol. HAVE FUN! THATS why we fly.
 
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:19 am

7 Hours 10 mins. Bu that was about 14 years ago.

Ask Skipper. Back in his day, it was about 2 1/2 hours... (apologies, apologies, apologies....)
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:46 am

17something hours, but in a taildragger, and having done otherss things than just circuits beforehand.

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:33 pm

9.2 from memory.

Like people have said - it's not necessarily when you do it - it's how well you do it.

Enjoy the ride.


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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:48 pm

I flew 15.3 hours in a course of 5 1/2 months before my first solo.
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:49 pm

15 or so because i didn't get my medical until then. ooops...
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:28 am

i think i was just over 5 hours when i first soloed...that was just over a year ago and now i'm working on my commercial...

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:31 am

Hello All,

707cmf - you mention you had to do other "things" before doing circuits, but surely everyone does? Please correct me if i'm wrong as I flew according to my course (Elementary Flying Training).
What is the basic composition of most PPLs? Could someone please let me know as I realise my course may have been quite different. Do civilians practice stalls and spinning, aerobatics, etc?

Thanks in advance,

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:23 am

Biggles20, stalls are certainly practiced before attempting a civilian solo. Spins, I'm not sure about the FARs, however, I did them 'til I wanted to puke while my friend (flying an Archer to get his PPL) doesn't practice them. Aerobatics, no, unless you count spins as aerobatics (meaning you exceed 60 degrees bank and 30 degrees pitch)

The other stuff you do before soloing is the usual stuff outside the pattern; turns to headings, slow flight and such.

Hope that helped.

cheers

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:11 am

14.5 hours before first solo. As far as doing other things coming first is concerned, usually its things like general handling, stalls, steep turns, etc. Oviously you also need to do EFATO (engine failure after take off), EFDW (...down wind) etc before first solo. Spin is not part of the sylabus but is done by some.

However, time to first solo can depend on other factors, like weather. As the weather was in-limits for dual but out of limits for first solo, I'd already done a dual cross country and land-away before I soloed.

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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:22 am

5.5 hours, had alot of flightsim time, still not bad for the second busiest ga airport in the nation.
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:46 am

7 hours.

5.5 hours, had alot of flightsim time, still not bad for the second busiest ga airport in the nation.

I'm sorry, this is not a competition. Attitudes like "yeah, I'm not bad, I soloed in less hours than you" are dangerous. You fly with an instructor until you're ready. It is not a race.
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:19 am

Calm down buddy I was just saying, I managed to make it all the way to the CFII and MEL without killing my self so far. So please go preach to one of your students.
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:28 am

Here's a cookie.

I've actually gotten the impression that you're bragging too, from the FS thread mostly. Dangerous attitude.

Just realize that it doesn't impress anyone, sit back and have fun!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:36 am

You read my FS post, point was your learning about being a head, and having a plane B, but you say "Dangerous attitude," how does that work, I flew with a instructor for 4 hours did a check with another instructor and soloed. If I was not ready they would not signed me off. I'm not trying to impress anyone I was just saying. One question, I give the conservative answer for the airspace you say it's excessive my question is if most airspace starts at a round altitude 3000,4000,5000 if you fly 500 feet below that keeps you below the airspace and at a appropriate VFR +500 altitude.
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:24 am

I didn't say (nor did anyone else) that soloing at low time is dangerous. It's the bragging attitude that is. Maybe you didn't see it as bragging, but other people interpreted it as such.

Most airspace? Not really. I learned to fly near Portland, airspace starting anywhere from 1700 to 2200 feet. None of them are nice round numbers if I remember correctly. Some of Seattle's airspace starts around 1800 and other odd altitudes like that. Sure in a lot of cases it's a nice round number and you'll be 500 feet away simply by virtue of the VFR crusing altitude (unless you're doing maneuvers!), but you have to adapt to every situation. As long as you're outside the airspace, no sweat.

Throwing in some kind of general rule about trying to stay 500 feet away from it just adds to the workload. Stay outside it, if your chosen altitude results in a 500 foot clearance, great, if not, great, doesn't matter.
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RE: Average Solo Times?

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:37 am

Most of the CLASS B,C generally have round numbers, I don't generally want a student pilot on their first solo cross country flying right under class B because the extra space can only give the student more time and options so form a conservative point of few give your self more spacing, unless you disagree about being conservative, and being conservative almost always means more safety.

I personally believe workload is reduced by being conservative considering that if you go up 120 feet you have not busted into airspace. Obviously you a pilot must be of the up most flexibility but if you are not in some kind of situation were that 500 feet means having no margin of safety then why fly right up under airspace when all it takes is a strong thermal with a little distraction and you get violated.

I was just looking at a Seattle term chart and the only airspace that starts at a non thousand number is the very small piece over Boeing field. 97% of the other airspace is the typical 2000, 6000, 10000 kind of stuff and if I were out their I would say that the -500 rule still applies for being clear of the class B and at a vfr ALT.
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