LAX Arrival Patterns

Sat Nov 03, 2001 9:58 am

Can someone explain how the various approaches to LAX work? I hear pilots talking about the Paradise, Civet, Mitz, etc. Sounds like the Paradise is the preferred.

RE: LAX Arrival Patterns

Sat Nov 03, 2001 10:03 am

The 4 times I have gone into LAX (from SNA) we basically came up over Long Beach, over compton and joined final there (this was in a 172).
Paradise is a VOR by ONT, this is lines the lads up for a nice appraoch.
When coming in from LHR they generally come over Camarillo, and join right downwind runway 24's!
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RE: LAX Arrival Patterns

Sat Nov 03, 2001 11:22 am


I have all the charts for the departures and arrivals for LAX, if you would like me to send you the charts just send me an email.

Anyways here are the names:

Main STAR's

CIVET4 (Arrivals from the Northeast)
SADDE6 (Arrivals from the North)
PARADISE4 (Arrivals from the Southeast and East)
LEENA3 (Oceanic Arrivals)

Main SID's

IMPERIAL3 (Southeastbound Departures)
PERCH7 (Oceanic Departures)
SAN DIEGO 3 (San Diego area only Departures)
VENTURA2 (Westbound Departures)
LAXX3 (Eastbound Departures)
LOOP2 (Northeastbound Departures)
SEAL BEACH3 (SOCAL airports only)
GORMAN2 (Northbound Departures)

Now remeber these are only for standard operations on the 25's and 24's.

When the winds switch there are different SID's and STAR's for the 6's and 7's.

Hope this helps,


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RE: LAX Arrival Patterns

Sat Nov 03, 2001 11:58 am

I think it may be beneficial to discuss what "SIDs" and "STARs" are.

"SIDs," or Standard Instrument Departures are now called "DPs," or Departure Procedures. These are charted or textual plans for transitioning from the terminal environment to the enroute structure. These transitions can be filed in flight plans. (The Jeppesen "Obstacle DPs" can not.)

STARs serve the same purpose, but are for transitioning from the enroute structure, to the terminal environment. STAR stands for Standard Terminal Arrival Route. These can be filed as well.

These are named for the main fix, or where all the transitions converge into one main route. The number listed after is the version - the number is changed when the DP or STAR is revised.

Here's an example: Say I'm flying from Las Vegas McCarran to my home base of Provo, UT (KPVU).

I could file my flight plan like this: KLAS OVETO3.MLF V21 FFU KPVU

Explanation: The OVETO3 DP is named for the OVETO intersection (Identified by 33NM DME from the Boulder City VOR on the 017 degree radial.) "MLF" signifies the Milford Transition. So, the DP takes you from KLAS, to the OVETO intersection, and then one of the available transitions takes you to the Milford, Utah VOR) The MLF VOR is one of the fixes along V21, which eventually leads to FFU, or the Fairfield VOR, which happens to be the IAF (Initial Approach Fix) for the ILS and VOR approaches at KPVU.

If I did not want to fly any published DP or STAR, I would put "NO DP, NO STAR" in the remarks section of my flight plan. If you use the term "DP" some folks might not know what you are talking about, because not everyone is up to speed on the change. So, you could still get away with calling them "SIDs."

Anyway, the larger, busier terminals, such as KLAX, have DPs and STARS. Nbirger mentioned the ones for LAX.

Hope this helps...

Jack @ AUS

RE: LAX Arrival Patterns

Sun Nov 04, 2001 2:04 am

Hey, thanks for all the info!
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Mon Nov 05, 2001 10:12 am

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RE: LAX Arrival Patterns

Tue Nov 06, 2001 5:03 pm

As you stated yourself, the Paradise, Mitts and Civet are the most widely used from the east (general direction). Since I am from the Bay Area but attend school at UCLA, I am familiar with the Sadde 6 STAR, Ventura 2 DP and Gorman 2 DP. The Sadde 6 STAR routes aircraft from the north (Bay Area, SEA, PDX, etc) to the North Complex. Additionally, this STAR handles many heavies originating from Japan, Korea, Hong Kong and sometimes, European arrivals. The Gorman 2 DP is used for northern departures while the Ventura DP can be used for either northern (Bay Area) departures or western departures (HNL). Hope this helps.

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