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Non Pilot Emergency

Sun Dec 16, 2001 9:06 pm

i was wondering what the procedure would be if a i was in a 172 with my fiends dad(he has his ppl) andhe fainted and i couldnt wake him up. if i did know sort of how to fly a plane would the tower allow me to attept to land?
i have felt so confident lately that i just wanna go up with an instructor and then he faint and i save the day by making a landing Big thumbs up
anyone else ever wanted to be a hero like this?
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RE: Non Pilot Emergency

Sun Dec 16, 2001 9:41 pm

Others can feel free to correct me...  Smile Just a couple of things off the top of my head.

You definitely have to report crew incapacitation to NTSB when (if) you make it back on the ground  Smile (NTSB Part 830.5.a.2)

But you can do anything if you act/look/sound confident enough, whether you pull it off or not is a different story.

Your friend's dad will probably have a radio tuned in somewhere with someone, so you should declare an emergency over the radio.

Before transmitting though listen to see if anyone is on the radrio. When there is a break in transmissions, simply say, "Mayday, mayday, mayday, (aircraft call sign) declaring an emergency, explain your general situation (I'm a passenger, the pilot just passed out), give your position if you know where you are (10 miles north of whatever airport/city/prominent landmark or if you can read instruments 10 miles DME on VOR R-265, or on a particular airway...)

Squawk 7700 with the transponder (that will set of all sorts of alarms in the ATC facilities around the area if you are in radar range.)

If you can't raise anyone on the radio, try to tune in 121.50 on any radio, dial it into the standby window and make it active. Or if the radios are the older dial type, try to remember what frequency was there before you dial in 121.50. All the towers usually monitor 121.5. Then go thru the whole transmission routine again.

If you don't know where you are, ATC will probably ask you to key the mic to DF your position if they can't find your transponder on radar.

If no one answers you back on any radio, then continue to squawk 7700, eventually you'll flying to a radar coverage area and someone will notice.

Check up on the pilot to see if he's still alive?

Take a look at how much fuel you've got left, look around for airports, suitable places to land and land the thing... (You said you were confident  Smile )

But keep cool, calm, and collected and you should make out okay if you can land the plane. (I don't know what you've learned in flight sims...)

As for whether I'd want to be in this situation, nope.  Smile

Cheers  Smile
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RE: Non Pilot Emergency

Mon Dec 17, 2001 12:45 pm

Well, if the guy faints and never comes to you'd either have to attempt to land the plane eventually or crash. And why would you need an instructor to faint for you to land the plane? That's why you take a flying lesson, to learn how to! I personally wouldn't want my CFI to faint while he's in the plane with me because he might flop over on me and start drooling or something.
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RE: Non Pilot Emergency

Mon Dec 17, 2001 4:16 pm

no i was just using the instructor as an example of why it might happen. i reckon there should be sonme award for landing a plane. like imagine if u were on an airliner and it was struck by lightning and the pilots got electricuted. and then the attendants asked if anyone knows how to fly a plane.(meanwhile all hell beaks loose on the plane). and no one knows how to fly. so u put up ur hand and say i have had a bit of experience in a sim but im confident to land.
then evryone is unsure. and ppl start crying. then u get up go to the cockpit and land her perfectly. and taxi to the right gate even. tell tower to put all the fire trucks back in their garages. heheheh
and then all the passengers will hail to u and love u.
and u would get all sorts of bravery awards and be on the news and evrything!~!!!!!
i reckon itd be cool.

That was a dream i had a few nights ago.
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RE: Non Pilot Emergency

Tue Dec 18, 2001 10:46 am

Well, if I had to land an airliner, I would hope the airline would buy me a new pair of underwear after I soil mine.
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RE: Non Pilot Emergency

Tue Dec 18, 2001 11:14 am

I hope I never have to end up in such a scenario. I'd probably be pissing in my pants and be so panicky I wouldn't even be able to put my seat upright!
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RE: Non Pilot Emergency

Tue Dec 18, 2001 11:44 am

Time for you to go read "Runway Zero 8" It was the basis for several of the air disaster movies. Actually a pretty good read invovling the fighter pilot who has not flown in years having to take over the controls of an airliner after the crew is incapacited by food poisoning. Not as funny as Airplane....but a good read.  Smile
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RE: Non Pilot Emergency

Tue Dec 18, 2001 2:10 pm

Hmm pilot koncks out, I'm not landing this beast, well I might if I forget my parachute  Smile

The only real thing that you need to remember over than the speeds is you fly an airliner onto a runway, you don't want to flare it if you don't know what you are doing. Thats what I got from a 737-3 sim that I was in once. I was able to get it on the ground but I ran off the runway before I could stop it.
At worst, you screw up and die.
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RE: Non Pilot Emergency

Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:53 am

No prob - I'm only a PPL, but for years read about boeings, and you can learn a hell of a lot about programming FMs, and Boeing's autopilot from 767 PIC for FS 2000.

oh.. and I did hire the British Airways B777-236 at London Heathrow a few months back to see if I could do it. - I learnt not to flare to early otherwise u really bang the ground. A nice flare at 30ft radio altitude, and a speed of Vref+5kts will do nicely!

And yes I've been dreaming about it for years! -I'm travelling on a 747-200 next week to New York - if it happened, I'd feel a little more confident on a -400. That engineers panel is quite a grid!

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