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Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Mon Feb 25, 2002 5:39 am

Hello,

I am wondering what the MTOW for Hawaiian's 767-300ER fleet and what engines they use?

thanks
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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:15 pm

I haven't been through our 767 program yet, but I believe our MGTOW is either 405,000 or 410,000 lbs. We have the Pratt & Whitney PW4060 engines on our planes.

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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Thu Feb 28, 2002 4:12 am

the absolute Maximum takeoff weight is 401,000 for a 763ER. That is alot of weight for a 763 and very rarely will you se it operate at those weights.
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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Thu Feb 28, 2002 2:33 pm

OK, directly from our (Hawaiian) 767 ops manual:

Max ramp weight: 409,000 lbs
Max TO weight: 408,000 lbs
Max Landing weight: 320,000 lbs
Max Zero fuel weight: 288,000 lbs
Min inflight weight: 179,000 lbs (not including useable fuel)

And I was correct on the engines, PW4060.

Sorry ATA L1011, 401,000 may have been someone elses MTOW, but not ours.

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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Thu Feb 28, 2002 2:35 pm

Well that was ours at TWA when I worked their anyway ours never went out at those high weights.
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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Thu Feb 28, 2002 3:29 pm

It's doubtful ours will be that heavy either since they'll be going less than half their design range between HNL and the west coast. Now if we can only convince our mangaement to start going farther east....

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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Fri Mar 01, 2002 3:59 am

Thanks HAL,

408,000 lbs MTOW is very respectable for a 767-300. Hawaiian could fly just about anywhere now. Hawaiian must be thinking of the future when they bought these aircraft. Anything on the West coast to Hawaii would not even need the range of the ER 767. Hawaiian could have saved some money and bought regular 767-300 non ER models certified for ETOPS.

I had the opportunity to fly SEA-OGG next April in the 767-300 but I passed it up because I would leave the day after I get back from Norway. Not so sure if my body can handle a 12 hour time change enough to really enjoy myself. Not this time but I plan to go on that route next year.

I hate to see the DC-10s go but they are really starting to show its age. April of 99 I was flying SEA-HNL and we had a major hydrolic problem and the gear would not go up. We had to dump fuel and return to SEA. The end result was a 14 hour delay and a fresh crew needing to be flown in from HNL. You will not hear stories like this when the 767s are fully online. A few weeks ago I was picking a friend up at the airport and I saw an HAL DC-10 parked at the south satelite. It was about 2pm and I know all the flights leave in the morning. I guessed it was broken down....AGAIN!!!

The 767-300ER have 3 basic MTOW's. 400,000 lbs, 408,000 lbs and 412,000 lbs.

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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Fri Mar 01, 2002 9:04 am

HAL you guys currently utilize the range of the DC-10-30 on any rtes? How much capacity are you guys losing with the 763's vs the 10's, although you are saving on operating cost?
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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Fri Mar 01, 2002 10:15 am

Chris,
I looked back through our records, and I didn't find any trips delayed that much in the last two months. I think what you saw was a special one-day trip we had. Since 9/11 we cut back to one flight per day to HNL, but as the loads picked up, we put a number of extra sections back on the route. Some of them (for crew scheduling reasons) left later in the day - some as late as 8pm. That is probably what you saw.

But in general, yes, the DC-10's are getting a little long in the tooth. It'll be nice not to have to deal with all the little day-to-day problems of a 30 year old jet.

ATA L1011: We used to use the -30's on a regular LAX - Tahiti charter for Renessance cruises - about 8 1/2 hours each way. Unfortunately the cruise line went belly up after 9/11, so we don't do that trip any more. That was our longest regular flight using the -30, but there have been charters using them, including one that went Kona - New Orleans nonstop.

Our DC-10-10's have a capacity of 304, and the new 767's have 252. A little drop in capacity, but management expects to increase frequency on some routes to make up the difference.

P.S. I start 767 training next month. Should be fun!

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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Fri Mar 01, 2002 11:02 am

That is quite a capacity drop not including the loss in freight capacity but at least you are adding more frequeinceis. We are losing so much capacity and freight on the rtes the 753 is replacing the 1011 its rediculous. Over 115 in Pax and I dont want to mention how much freight capacity! Congrats on your 763 promote HAL!
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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Fri Mar 01, 2002 11:11 am

Thanks ATA L1011!  Smile

I've heard our 767's will have as much freight capacity as the DC-10's, since the -10's had a lower lobe galley that took up a lot of space under the front of the plane.

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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Fri Mar 01, 2002 1:20 pm

HAL, just curious as to where Hawaiian does their 763 training? Will you still be based out of SEA once you start flying the 763? What routes to you currently fly on the D10 and what's your favorite city to overnight at?
 
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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Fri Mar 01, 2002 2:54 pm

We train at the Boeing-FlightSafety facility at the old Longacres site in Tukwila (near Seattle). Yes, we will still have a base in SEA, and starting in March we'll be flying to HNL and OGG from here, with hopefully more growth to come.

Right now we mostly fly just SEA-HNL with the Seattle crews, although we're just about all gone to training, and HNL crews are taking over for now.

I think my favorite overnight is a tossup between Honolulu and Anchorage. Lots to do in HNL of course, and in ANC there's some great restaurants and scenery - plus one of the better hotels we stay at. Tahiti was of course the best, but we don't do overnights there anymore since the cruise line went bankrupt.
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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Thu Mar 07, 2002 2:52 pm

HAL, any idea when the 763 will replace the DC10 for flights 21 & 22? I know SEA gets 763 service on 3/15 with the new SEA-OGG route.
 
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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Fri Mar 08, 2002 5:21 pm

HAL,
Love the new 763s and the new livery. (Though I am sad to hear rumors it will go away with the Aloha merger.)

I also like your Humuhumunukunukuapua'a spokesfish.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Sat Mar 09, 2002 5:33 pm

The first SEA - OGG flights will be with a DC-10-30. We were supposed to get the first 767's from LTU by now, but they're a little bit slow in the conversion process. I talked to our VP of flight ops today, and he said we'll be getting the first two in April, so I'd look for the first one (SEA - OGG) around April 15th, and the second (for SEA - HNL, flt 21 & 22) somtime late in the month.

Right now we only have the original three, and they're doing HNL to SAN (flt 31 & 32), SFO (flt 11 & 12), and LAX (flt 9 & 10).

The change in name and livery is only that - a rumor. From what I've heard it won't change at all; we'll still be Hawaiian after the merge, with the new Pualani. But I guess we'll all have to wait until the deal gets done to know for sure.

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RE: Hawaiian 763ER Mtow And Engine Model?

Fri Mar 15, 2002 4:54 am

Just an update - We'll start the 767 on SEA - OGG on April 10th. SEA - HNL 767 starts April 20th.

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