modesto2
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OAK's Commo One Arrival

Mon Mar 25, 2002 1:41 am

I flew into OAK on Friday and the winds dictated a runway 11 arrival. From my previous 11 arrival, I was expecting the Hadly Two arrival. However, I spoke to the first officer after the flight and he enlightened me about the Commo One arrival. After looking at the chart, it closely resembles the new Marvn One arrival (for 29) that replaces the Panoche Two. Can anyone shed some light on the Commo arrival? When was it introduced and why? My understanding is that the Marvn was implemented to keep OAK arrivals away from SFO arrivals. Can I assume that the Commo has the same intentions? Any insight is appreciated. Thanks!
 
barney captain
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Mon Mar 25, 2002 3:03 am

Insight? It blows.  Big grin They started they Marvin/Commo @ 6 months ago for the reasons you stated, and the general opinion is it's horrible. Just flew it again last night (I'm based in OAK), and on either arrival, you're basically down at 10k feet 65 miles from the airport. They should just rename them the "Fuel Burn 1" and the "VFR Conflict 2". Unfortunately, OAK is not alone. Because of the secondary airports we serve (OAK vs SFO, MDW vs ORD etc), we frequently are decended early to avoid the main flow of traffic.
Southeast Of Disorder
 
Guest

RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:46 pm

Another fuel waster to avoid the SFO arrival flow traffic is the Loupe departure at SJC. Passing through 15,000 ft you have gone nowhere and are still over the airport!

 
Guest

RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:06 pm

Correction on the last, you pass over SJC at or above 12,000 ft, not 15,000.


 
Continental
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RE: Modesto2

Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:45 am

Are you an airline pilot? What airline?

Continental
 
ThirtyEcho
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Thu Mar 28, 2002 11:58 pm

I noticed that nonresponse too, Continental. I think he flies for Microsoft Intercontinental Airlines.
 
timz
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Sloppy Paranoia

Fri Mar 29, 2002 3:53 am

Modesto2's profile says he's a UCLA student, age 16-20. When has he ever claimed to be an airline pilot?
 
Continental
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RE: Sloppy Paranoia

Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:39 am

I know 16-20. I thought you couldn't get a Commercial License until you were 21!!

Continental
 
timz
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So How About It?

Fri Mar 29, 2002 9:16 am

Did he say he has one?
 
hawkeye2
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Fri Mar 29, 2002 9:51 am

Maybe he was flying UA and listening to Channel 9, so he knew those details. He never said he was flying as a pilot!
 
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:16 am

Modesto2 might only be 16-20, but he sure asks questions that indicate a true interest in aviation...

BTW, Mod2, I'm sure that Oakland Center can answer your questions on the construction of the arrival in question. I'd call their main number and ask for "airspace and procedures", M-F, 9-5, usually.
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modesto2
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Sat Mar 30, 2002 10:29 am

First, I appreciate those members who have appropriately answered my question. However, I never fathomed such a misunderstanding. Continental and ThirtyEcho: no, I am not an airline pilot. As my profile (and Timz) explicitly says, I am a mechanical engineering student at UCLA. I'm not sure where your misunderstanding finds its roots, but if you read my original post, it says: "I spoke to the first officer after the flight." Hawkeye2, had I been flying UA, your assumption most likely would have been correct! And OPNLguy, as always, I appreciate your professionalism and willingness to share your wealth of knowledge.

I hope this serves as a reminder that in the future, please carefully read each post and don't jump to conclusions. It really detracts from the potential knowledge gain of this great forum. Thank you!

Regards,
Modesto2
 
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Sat Mar 30, 2002 10:36 am

Modesto2

Please igonore the children in the group. There are lots of them out there. When they post stupid stuff like that, just ignore it. I have read and responded to alot of your post over time and I never got the impression that you were a pilot. I actually enjoy a lot of your post, since we share a common interest in SIDS and STARS. Not too many non-pilots out there have interest this kinda stuff.

Have a good one

Richard

PS: There is probably going to be another SID for OAK that is a noise abatement procedure.
 
hawkeye2
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Sat Mar 30, 2002 10:51 am

Hey, don't rag on me. I never misunderstood you.

So I guess you didn't fly UA? What airline did you fly? WN? AA? Someone else?
 
modesto2
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Sat Mar 30, 2002 12:01 pm

Hawkeye2, I was on WN. I usually fly UA (for channel 9) or AA (for legroom), but WN had the lowest fare.
 
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Thu Apr 04, 2002 7:34 pm

Continental,

Well if you read the post more carefully you would see that he did not say "I spoke to MY first officer". Instead it says, "I spoke to THE first officer". As for him expecting a certain arrival, I believe he a frequent flyer on that route and knows what to expect. When I fly on familiar routes, I too expect certain arrivals and departure routes. Some of us actually enjoy studying SIDS, STARS, and ATC procedures.

Richard Silagi


 
Guest

RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Fri Apr 05, 2002 11:51 am

Continental, You may have lots of knowledge but it seems you do not have much wisdom. As far as I am concerned you are welcome to post here, but if you are going to acuse someone of something you better know what you are talking about. Instead of being critical of people in your post, why dont you stick to technical issues that you have knowledge of and where you can share your expertise.

Richard Silagi
 
Av8trxx
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:12 am

Re: "I thought you couldn't get a Commercial License until you were 21!!"

Nope. You "must be at least 18 years of age".

Commercial Requirements
 
Continental
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RE: OAK's Commo One Arrival

Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:35 am

Sweet! It's 21? I'm only 15 but I already have 36 hours. I will get my PPL as soon as I can. I'll probably work on my Commercial right after I turn 18.

Continental

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