Dufo
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Air Force One Operations

Tue Apr 30, 2002 10:27 pm

It is interesting to hear that Air Force One crew uses somekind of its own phraseology.

landing 'clearance'

..'and we are cleared to land' hehe

(this was recorded in June 2000 before the Bush-Putin meeting in Slovenia)

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Huh?

Tue Apr 30, 2002 11:48 pm

what? what do you mean?
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RE: Air Force One Operations

Wed May 01, 2002 12:27 am

I think Dufo is refering to the fact that it seems AF1 cleared itself for landing Big grin

Once that gear goes down, those runways better be clear!!! hehe  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Air Force One Operations

Wed May 01, 2002 6:02 am

I'm not so sure about that .wav file.. I think that the landing clearance by the tower may have been cut out of it. In general AF1 is treated the same as any other aircraft by ATC... though traffic isn't generally an issue  Smile

I can say this for certain, when AF1 was in NH early this year, they were treated the same as any other aircraft (at least by ATC).

The conversation between the pilot and the tower went -something- like this..

AF1: "Good afternoon, tower, (AF1) is with you on the ILS for 34"

Tower: "AF1, tower, good afternoon, check wheels down, winds estimated XXX at X, runway 34, cleared to land"

AF1: "Cleared to land, 34, with three green, for AF1"

The last line is pretty similiar to that .wav file, apart from the "three green" info.
 
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RE: Air Force One Operations

Wed May 01, 2002 8:19 am

He might have been cleared in by Apporach, some places they do it.
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Dufo
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RE: Air Force One Operations

Wed May 01, 2002 10:11 am

The fact is that all traffic from this airport was operated from Zagreb, since LJLJ was completely closed due to this meeting. I have no idea if this sound clip is complete or not, but it's somewhat unusual to hear the landing gear condition thru ATC frequency.

And as PPGMD mentioned, approach control can sometimes give clearances normally handled by the tower (as was the case during my visit to LDDU).

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Theiler
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RE: Air Force One Operations

Wed May 01, 2002 10:58 am

Reference the landing gear, they flew into PSM, which is a former Air Force base that still houses the NH Air National Guard (KC-135).

At many military fields, pilots are reminded to "check wheels down" as they are cleared to land. This is true for everyone at PSM (172 or KR35!).. I only included it in the interest of loosely quoting the conversation between tower and AF1.

They most likely were cleared to land by Approach.
 
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RE: Air Force One Operations

Wed May 01, 2002 12:08 pm

When there is not much traffic it is quite common to be cleared by approach to land, as well as if you are on an ASR or PAR approach procedure.
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Bjones
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RE: Air Force One Operations

Wed May 01, 2002 12:25 pm

The Air Force requires their pilots to make a gear down call prior to crossing the runway threshold. At military fields they will usually tell you "check wheels down". At civilian fields even though they may not ask the Air Force still requires that the call be made.
 
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RE: Air Force One Operations

Mon May 06, 2002 2:29 pm

What about a fixed gear aircraft in that situation (instead of "Three down and locked" is it "Three down and welded"???)
 
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FlightSimFreak

Mon May 06, 2002 8:24 pm

I've heard that before. Otherwise, the pilots usually don't respond with regards to Gear Down.

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