cannibalz3
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ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Tue May 28, 2002 5:16 am

How's the ATC in, say, Cuba, or Iran, or Iraq, or Libya, or North Korea?
 
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Tue May 28, 2002 6:23 am

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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Tue May 28, 2002 8:24 pm


Tunis ATC cooperates greately with Tripoli,Lybia.The Lybian air space is not yet RVSM,and compared to our control,they remain tough on their procedures.
I remember the first days LAA returned into operation,pilots seem "astonished"when a controller gives"em a short cut !!!
 
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Thu May 30, 2002 8:32 pm


Why do you call these countries unfriendly ???
 
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Thu May 30, 2002 8:47 pm

"Why do you call these countries unfriendly ???"

Cuba? Iran? Iraq? Libya? North Korea?
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Thu May 30, 2002 9:24 pm

I have read often of pilots who transited Cuba's airspace (with approved flight plans, of course), and have always understood their ATC to have been very efficient and cordial.

Maybe we can get comments from any pilots who operate to la Habana regularly?
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Thu May 30, 2002 10:14 pm

Cuba is very friendly and efficient. You do have to pay o cross their airspace, every US carrier does it that serves down south. They really have no special requirements and as long asyou treat them friendly and with respect they'll more then return the favor.
 
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Fri May 31, 2002 6:41 am

Afghanistan (pre 911): Nice chaps, very polite (G'day to Qantas, Sawasdee Krabp to Thai etc etc), good long range VHF installed just prior to 911 made communications excellent.
Iran: Not to bad at all, good VHF communications all the way through.
Iraq: Still has enforced no-fly zones so we don't go near there!
 
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Fri May 31, 2002 7:37 am

Sorry, In my reply to Ts-ior, I was talking about those countries politically rather than their ATC services.  Smile
 
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Fri May 31, 2002 12:15 pm

US carriers that overfly Cuba (eg, any Miami-South America route) are restricted to specific airways over Cuba and a bit of trivia: due to the commercial embargo, airlines can't pay Cuba directly,but they have to "pay" a third party in Canada, I think, which is a front for Cuba's ATC.
 
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Fri May 31, 2002 12:32 pm

Don't operate through their airspace all that regularly, but my only impression flying in / through Cuba has only been that of a very professional and friendly ATC service.

Off the top of my head I can't think of any country where ATC are not courteous and friendly if you are to them.
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Fri May 31, 2002 3:01 pm

There is no such thing as an "unfriendly" country when it comes to ATC... But procedures or requirements may be different at times. If you fly a non-scheduled flight over certain areas, be sure to read their AIP and comply with some restrictions... I was required to land in Karachi, Pakistan once, on a delivery flight of an aircraft proceeding nonstop from Larnaka, Cyprus to Dacca, Brangladesh, apparently, the flight planning company had not seen that the AIP Pakistan required non-scheduled flights to land in Karachi or Islamabad. Many countries issue non-scheduled flights an "overflight permit" which is a code (letters/numbers) for such flights, be sure to have it ready when you enter their FIR and they request it... When some countries ask you for your "type and registration letters" it is not to shoot you down but merely to bill your operator accordingly for airway fees...
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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Sat Jun 01, 2002 10:31 am

Cuba overflight charges are actually paid to the Cubana office in Panama.

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RE: ATC In Unfriendly Countries

Sat Jun 01, 2002 12:41 pm

Remember that, each time an aircraft flies through your airspace, you get money for it - even if they don't land there. Therefore, it's in their interests to make thier airspace 'friendly'. For example, the NERC (initially supposed to be for only southern UK) - that's New En-Route Centre at Swanwick, the one that 'crashed' last moth - was paid for only by aircraft flying OVER the UK... if you believe the figures... overflights can be a very useful source of income.
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