Leftypilot79
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The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:54 am

Im just curious as to what you guys think about this plane. As a pilot...does it live up to the book numbers? over a 2000mi range? How comfortable is it?And....whats your overall thought about them. Personally I think they are the nicest looking single engine turboprop out there. Gotta love that big T tail and those winglets.

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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:57 am

Yeah.. the PC-12 is a really sexy a/c. I want one.. but I just cant find the $$. I would like to know what they are like, as well.

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Leftypilot79
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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:30 am

Ok....no one has flown in one...or piloted one? Come on....what about standing next to one? Line guys out there?  Smile

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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:47 am

I've sat in one. It was OK. I know where there's one for the taking - sitting at the bottom of the Pacific ocean, somewhere near Guam. They ditched it after a fuel control failure. As nice as they are, they only have one engine.
 
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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:01 am

I have spent some time in the back, its pretty nice but it is a little too small for my liking.

The cockpit is pretty much all screens. Flying charestics, don't know but it is a nice looking aircraft.

The biggest problem I see it that its a corprate aircraft, but its not a twin, and for that size personally I would rather see a twin.
At worst, you screw up and die.
 
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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:55 am

I once got to do a short VNY-SNA hop in one (there was (still is?) a Pilatus-approved MX facility at SNA).

They are really very similar to a King Air 200/300 in size, except that they've got the forward pax door (and the head is up front by the cockpit) and the rear cargo door (few King Air's have the cargo door mod; not even sure if that's a factory option or just an STC).

I can tell you that not setting the rudder trim for takeoff can make your leg tired VERY fast -- there's a LOT of torque happening out there on the nose!

If I needed something to carry a number of people a good distance, and wanted to be able to confidently operate out of 1800' strips, the PC-12 would be my choice.

Of course, me being more the speed freak, I'd probably sacrifice range for speed and get a CJ525  Smile

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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:35 am

If I ever was gonna open up a small charter business....the PC12 is definetly something I would look at as an option....even over the jets. Like the Citations. The range is great....speed...well..thats ok if you aren't on a non-stop cross country. I wonder how long that would take. Hmm.  Smile


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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:41 am

my friends dad works for the royal flying doctors here in west australia. recently RFDS purchased 3 or 4 new pc12s. and boyu are they sexy. uinfortunately there equipped with hospital stuff and not luury but its still awsome. At jandakot airport i go down and spot evrynoe n then and one time he came in to the pc12 parking bay and got out and saw me standing there watching and he yeled out come and have a look at the new pc12 thommo.
so sure enough i did. got to sit in the pilot seat and turn evrything on. glass cockpit, gyros trhat sound like a vaccum cleaner. however this guy hates it. he hates this plane because its a single and it could kill him. yet he still has to fly it. hed rather fly kingairs.
but anyway i think its a sweety plane with a bloody nice engine too. i have a photo of its pt6a engine here and its a cutaway model at the RFDS open day.
yeh good plane Big thumbs up
 
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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 1:49 pm

My Stepmom has flown in one and says its pretty nice.

I think the Caravan is more economical for Charter Operations but I could be wrong.
 
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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:48 pm

Awesome Cosync...you should post the pictures of the big Snout.  Smile The Pilatus is unique...thats what I like it. The fact that is a single....Im sure thats a issue in some places. But if the engine fails...it does just turn into a big glider. I know in FS2002 the approach speed is around 75kts. I don't know how realistic that is. But...if you had to put it down somewhere...it wouldn't be as bad as something that went faster. Correct me if Im wrong on that.


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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:51 am

oh ur right
the pc12 has a shit load of glide. who needs an engine:P
i reckon its prety safe though. not much can go wrong.
 
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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:10 am

Hi guys.

I've never been in a PC-12, however, my girfriend and I have discussed taking a round-trip flight in one just for the fun of it. We both think it's a "COOL" aircraft.  Big thumbs up There's a GA airport a few miles from our home called Buttonville (CYKZ), which has a regional carrier that operates from there called Bearskin Airlines. They fly from Toronto's (CYKZ) to Ottawa Intl (CYOW) 7 times per day. It's a 1 hour flight each way.

http://www.bearskinairlines.com

Here's a few photos of this sexy "cabin class" business turboprop.

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If the Royal Canadian Mounted Police catch you (RCMP)...a ride in this would be better than a cop car.

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The photographer of this PC-12 says he likes it's paint scheme. Personally it makes me want to puke!

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Leftypilot79
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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:19 am

I've been tempted to fly to Canada just to ride on one with Bearskin. It seems Canadian carriers (small ones) seem to like this plane. If you guys ride one..let me know how it turns out. Get pictures if you can too.  Smile


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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:52 am

I know someone who pilots the PC12, and I may get a ride in the near future, I'll let you know how it is.
 
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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It?

Sat Jun 22, 2002 6:40 am

cool. Thanks for the info Crank.


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RE: The Pilatus PC-12...Anyone Flown It Or On It?

Sat Jun 22, 2002 10:31 am

A company I once worked for was looking for a few small ELINT platforms and had the sales team come in from Pilatus for some demo flights. Being the maintenance side of the house my "dog and pony" show was on the ground (and I was very impressed), but talking to my flight crews after the demo run, they were sold with the aircraft overall, however they were concerned with flap speed travel times. If I remember correctly, I think that they were too slow during go-around procedures and prevented them from doing touch and go's and would have required them to alter company procedures when operating out of smaller fields. Because of this, we regrettably scratched the aircraft from our list of possibilities.

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