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JAL 123

Sun Aug 18, 2002 4:02 am

Well I did a search and couldn't find anything in this forum. There has been some talk in the CA forum about this after someone dug up a music video about it.

I have been looking for an offical report (like the NTSB does about US crashes), but all I seem to find are the glazed over press type reports. In particular I wanted to see about the truth about whether or not US Military SAR teams found the wreck but the JSDF didn't want the help.

I did a search of the internet and didn't find much about it.
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RE: JAL 123

Sun Aug 18, 2002 7:32 am

You might start here. If you'll scroll down to the 2nd to last .PDF file, there's one on JAL123. The site is in Japanese, as is the file, and I can't view it.

http://www.motnet.go.jp/AAIC/download/index.html

Know anyone who speaks Japanese?
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RE: JAL 123

Sun Aug 18, 2002 9:26 am

Re - JAL 123 crash in AUG 1985...
A 747-SR46 c/n 20783, registered JA-8119 crashed because of complete loss of the 4 hydraulic systems due to improper repairs, and failure of the aft pressure bulkhead while climbing out of Tokyo, on a domestic flight... The crew was unable to control the airplane... total flight controls failure since 747s have hydraulic flight controls with no "manual" back-up capability...
I have a videotape, produced by NHK-TV of Japan, 45 minutes long, describing the circumstances of the accident and the investigation... The video tape is in English language... excellent video... many airlines do have a copy of this tape in their training department video library...
Boeing may possibly assist you in obtaining a copy of this tape, the US-NTSB or NHK-TV theirselves in Tokyo... I don't know the source of our tape, my own personal copy is a copy of the tape in the training department of my airline...
There was "no search" for that aircraft since it ended in the mountains SW of Tokyo... so JSDF could not help either... I have no written documents about that accident, other than this videotape... I would have it since I am flight training manager, and have an extensive documentation... at home or in the office... nothing about JAL 123... except the videotape...
I spend quite many hours "playing" in simulators, and, particularly after the UAL DC-10 tragedy with similar hydraulic and flight control failures, I have attempted to "fly" the 747 simulators, in similar circumstances... with differential power for turns and pitch up or down... it is not easy but... can de done... but getting it on a runway for landing is not an easy task...
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RE: JAL 123

Sun Aug 18, 2002 9:36 am

Hmm I will have to check the Media section here at the Library they might have it. Skipper does the video have a name?
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RE: JAL 123

Mon Aug 19, 2002 5:27 am

Dear PPGMD -
Just looked the beginning of the tape, title simply is "The Crash"...
The video tape is in NTSC-TV standards, which tells me it was acquired either directly in Japan, or USA/Canada...
There were 524 people on board, of which 520 died, 4 survived...
NHK-TV produced the original tape... probably has a site... maybe in English...
I only could find their phone/fax number in Japan... which are -
phone +81 3 3465-1111 - fax +81 3 3468 8110
My listing for that station says it is an non-govt, non-commercial TV service, probably equivalent to PBS-TV in USA...
I know that United Air Lines training center (Denver) and PanAm training center (Miami) have copy of that tape... maybe you could obtain a copy through them... also NWA training center in Minneapolis would have it... All training departments of airlines are in close touch with each other, and often trade copies of videotapes or other publications... and many pilots often do copies for their own personal video libraries. I am sure it may be easy to locate in the USA... If it was ever broadcasted there, I am sure that PBS-TV would be the place to look for a copy...
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RE: JAL 123

Thu Aug 22, 2002 3:10 am

I too have searched a bit and all that the most that the search ends up is in Japanese language. I am sure that their is stuff on the net in japanese but I haven't been able to find it in english.
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RE: JAL 123

Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:06 am

Just a scrap of info, I'm afraid, but this was one of the accidents featured on the "Black Box" series. I saw it on Channel 4 in the UK a couple of years ago, and they usually put these things out on video. If I remember correctly, there was about half an hour or so on the accident, recovery and investigation.

It was a pain in the backside, but I found it on Amazon.co.uk. It was filmed in 1996, apparently. Channel 4's website is http://www.channel4.com. It was a whole series, but I can't remember which one this crash was on.

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RE: JAL 123

Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:34 am

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RE: JAL 123

Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:04 am

Airdisaster.com has quite a bit of info on the crash. Check out:--

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi_bin/view_details.cgi?date=08121985&airline=Japan+Air+Lines

This webpage has some pictures and a link to the CVR transcript

There is also the Cockpit Voice Recorder tape of the incident available at:

http://www.airdisaster.com/download2/jal123.shtml

It's a pretty horrific tape, even though the pilot and FO are speaking Japanese, you can hear the panic in their voices and all the horns going off in the background. I've only listened to it once and that was enough for me.

If you haven't seen it before airdisaster.com has some great info on A/C incidents.

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RE: JAL 123

Thu Aug 22, 2002 10:01 am

Seen all of that except the Channel 4 thing, but it isn't quite as indepth as I was looking for (as was looking for a NTSB type report). I'm going to be at school tommarrow so I'm going to check if we have the video tape. If not I'll probally call my friend thats in Atlanta right now, and see if Delta has it.
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