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Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Wed Aug 28, 2002 7:39 am

Hi Guys,

Is there anybody here who can give me more info about the aircraft stored in the Californian desert? What maintenance work is needed for these birds??

Thanks


 
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Wed Aug 28, 2002 7:49 am

You might want to check out one of the Yahoo Clubs on the Mojave airport. There are numerous files/photos, FAQs, and a message board frequented by some folks who work out there...
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Wed Aug 28, 2002 8:12 am

Typical airfields where airliners are parked are i.e. Mojave and Victorville in California, Kingman or Marana in Arizona...
Airplanes are flown there for storage, if the intention is to fly them again after a while, they will be prepared for long term storage... if the intention is to cut them apart and take the parts, the form of storage is quite different...
I have flown a few airplanes into these locations, and flown a few out of there as well... Due to the dry climate, it is the favored location for long term storage of airplane that will be used again in the future...
The parking fees are very low, another feature...
Some of these places, are easy to visit with a camera, "have a good time" and go around airplanes without any questions asked, some others, thinking of Marana as an example, where I recently went to pick up an airplane, was close to ask me for fingerprints to access the airplane I was coming to fly...
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Wed Aug 28, 2002 1:54 pm

Don't forget Goodyear in Arizone, Roswell in New Mexico, Tucson International and Avra Valley. The latter is where the Central Air Service fleet is stored and the MATS Connie operated from, this is the only place ehere you can walk under the wings of derelict aircraft with nobody paying you much attention.
Marana is interesting if you choose to do a little off road driving. There are places to the south that you can (almost) see the aircraft in storage. That is if you're prepared to answer questions to the man with a 30.06 asking why you are driving through his back yard. B747skipper is right, forget MZJ.

MHV is friendly enough, IGM and GYR are good places for registration collecting with a good telephoto lens or binoculars and TUS has lots of 727s and several other aircraft. Might I also add Sherman, Texas and Roswell, New Mexico?
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Wed Aug 28, 2002 6:36 pm

If you have business with Evergreen, they are great hosts and will take delight in driving you around their Air Centre at MZJ. I especially enjoyed seeing the WW2 aircraft they had there when I visited once ... which included being shown around the inside of a Liberator. Not something I have done that often!  Big grin

VCV is a great place as well ... all the Delta and KHI L1011s are there, together with those of ATA.
 
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Wed Aug 28, 2002 9:21 pm

There are three levels of storage; short term, long term, and storage in preparation for scrapping.
Short term storage requires regular maintenance checks and engine run-ups and taxiing at least once a month. All inlets are covered to prevent critters from making nests or obstructing the areas in various ways in the interim.
Long term storage requires pickling the critical systems (such as the engines) to prevent or reduce deterioration until the airplane is placed back in service.
Fuel tanks are drained and all inlets (pitot probes, static ports, engines, ACM's, etc) are covered.
For the later type of storage, components that can be sold or needed to keep other airplanes flying are removed (cannibalization) and no special storage precautions are taken.
 
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Thu Aug 29, 2002 10:03 am

Somebody correct me if I'm having a geriatric moment (and I just know in my heart of hearts you all will) but...
When I worked at MZJ a lifetime or so ago we parked the aircraft in long term storage with at least a 3/4 fuel load.
Helped maintain the form of the fuselage and wings I believe.
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Thu Aug 29, 2002 12:57 pm

I don't know about the old days geezer, oops I mean Avioniker, but nowadays the fuel truck drives up and puts fuel in whenever they need to run engines. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that jet fuel now costs 80 of 85 cents per gallon. and 3/4 full is a lot of money in a 747. Just a guess though. I'll double check with my buddy next time I see him.
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Thu Aug 29, 2002 11:21 pm

The company that I fly for has a plant in Kingman. We get there on a more or less regular basis. Kingman was a WWII training field (Gunnery and B-17's, I believe) during the war and an aircraft salvage depot after the war. In the FBO's lobby there are many pictures of row after row of B-24s and other aircraft awaiting the cutting torch. I've walked out in those areas on many occassions and kicked up all kinds of stuff left over from those operations - landing light lenses, phenolic pulleys, wire bundles, oxygen regulators, etc.

Now days, aircraft are both being stored there (it's VERY dry - perfect for long-term aircraft storage) and salvaged. There are several old jetliners being cut up and parted out. It's actually a pretty interesting airport to walk around. There's a lot of interesting history out there in the dirt.

If you ever have the chance to get to Tucson you've got to spend a day at the Pima Air Museum. It's one of the best around and well worth the trip.

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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Fri Aug 30, 2002 1:24 pm

Jetguy. A day at the Pima Air and Space Museum? Well I guess if you rush a bit. To truly see this museum and all it has to offer takes 3 dyas. How do I know this? I've been going there since before it opened. It took me a 3 hours in 1975 to walk arond the 35 planes out in the middle of the desert. It's grown a little since than.

Seriously though. Anyone coming to visit my airplanes should allow the whole day.
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Fri Aug 30, 2002 2:08 pm

Steve...
You're 100% correct. I've visited the place many times - for 8 years I went to Tucson every 6 months to attend Lear recurrent at FlightSafety and a visit to the museum was something that I did every time I went to Tucson. In my opinion, it is second only to the Air Force Museum in Dayton and better than the Air & Space Museum in Washington DC. If those airplanes could only talk, imagine what stories they could tell.
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Sat Aug 31, 2002 12:05 pm

I have been to MHV-very open-and no one bothered me.I like to go once a year,tall order since I live in NY.
VCV is a very eary place to visit-must be one of the quietest places on earth!
IGM Kingman is very open to picture taking,I was there last Sep and took some nice pics of the TWA L1011's there.
Marana................I'de PAY to go thru there!!!!!!!!
Also,I went to Maxton,NC 2 weeks ago,I highly recommend it! 4 NW 747-151's and alot of crashed planes held for lawsuits.
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RE: Aircraft Stored In Arizona

Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:02 pm

I will search my membership list for "Jetguy" tomorrow. I suspect we've met and chatted once or twice. I meet everyone that comes in on most Sundays.
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