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Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Fri Aug 30, 2002 12:03 pm

Is it?

Or maybe its just the angle?

I saw an SAS 340 lift off yesterday and it wasnt nearly this steep.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/268368/M/

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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Sat Aug 31, 2002 3:07 am

It is impossible to determine the climb angle of the aircraft from a still photograph. What you can tell is the pitch attitude, which in this picture is quite high, but that is not related to climb angle.

It is quite feasable, though unlikely, for the aircraft in this picture not to be climbing at all.
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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Sat Aug 31, 2002 3:26 am

Hello JBLUA320, the A340's pitch angle does look nice and steep to me, however, it doesn't look abnormal, compared to the A340s I see climbing out of Toronto's YYZ.
Perhaps the flight crew have been airborne long enough to already rotate the A340 to this high pitch / deck angle, which has resulted in reaching their desired airspeed for this phase of climbout. Just a thought.

I find that the farther away you are, the easier it is to tell how steep an airliner is actually climbing out. The point of view matters a lot.

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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Sat Aug 31, 2002 5:48 am

Thats nothin'................did you see the clip of a A319 taking off from Orange Country Airport in CA? Looks like a rocket ship.
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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Sun Sep 01, 2002 4:53 pm

I'll see if I can find the pic from the air show at Avalon Vic Aust 92. Airbus had the then brand new 340 there going thru it's paces. Doing more than on pass at very low speed AOT looked to be somewhere between 30-40degrees, hanging on the excess thrust.
 
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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 3:42 am

I was a video of the takeoff of that plane... but that seemed just steep for tests and show.. nothing that would be normal during regular commercial use.

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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:59 am

Geez that is steep, even if it weren't that would be a pretty high Angle-of-Attack don't you think?

Alarming Question: Where is that yellow tower in the right side in relation to the plane? the tip looks like it is before the tailplane, yet the foreground proves otherwise. Or the plane is farther away?
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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 1:35 pm

I'm with Lehpron on this, I'm sure there is a simple photographical explanation, but that is really odd to me.

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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 7:56 pm


If it's not the angle on which the photo has been taken,the aircraft wouldn't be highly loaded that day.This angle could be seen after the gears had been retracted,but it's not the case !!!
My explanation is as follows :

Air Jamaica's MAN-MBJ may not be a busy route.
The flight is full to its 3/4 at max.
The route isn't so long comparing to the A340 range,and though the aircraft isn't full of kerozene.

I think this would make the pitch angle as important !!!
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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Mon Sep 02, 2002 9:10 pm

Alarming Question: Where is that yellow tower in the right side in relation to the plane? the tip looks like it is before the tailplane, yet the foreground proves otherwise. Or the plane is farther away?

It is in front. This aircraft is rotating quite a way from where the photo was taken, and the lens used has a long focal length, so the aircraft would appear closer than it actually is compared to the foreground (because a telephoto lens compresses all the foreground), and thus making everything else not in the DOF appear to be behind, when in fact its in front.

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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 1:53 pm

 Confused *Scratches his head, trying to make head or tail of Dan's last sentence*  Confused
 
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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 3:21 pm

David, can you give me a link to that clip? SNA is my home sweet home and yes, we do get some steep departures outta here.
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RE: Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?

Tue Sep 03, 2002 8:01 pm

The T/O of the A319 is nothing that would be used during a normal T/O with pax if it wasn't for a problem with the A/C.
So that's nothing we would see on a normal departure.
The pilot of the A319 was just having some fun, without pax.
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