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Question For Pilots And F/a's

Mon Sep 09, 2002 1:09 pm

For those of you who are pilots or f/as could mention what airline you work for, and what your typical routes or "lines" would be. Also, how many hours/flights each day, how many days on/off, how often you get called while on reserve, etc.

Just curious.
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RE: Question For Pilots And F/a's

Mon Sep 09, 2002 5:41 pm

I work for Aurigny air Services at Guernsey (Chanel Islands UK)
I am an FA on a saab 340 and we only fly to, MAN, EMA, AMS and STN.
sometimes we do a charter but not too often.
It is alwas different how many hours you fly a day. Sometimes you only do 1 stn rotation while the next day you could fly to AMS and EMA. That is one of the longests days we have. You start an 0700 and finishe at 1615.
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RE: Question For Pilots And F/a's

Mon Sep 09, 2002 5:57 pm

I am a pilot for SWISS. I am based in Lugano, by far our smallest crew base. We have about 45 pilots here to fly 4 aircraft that are based here. It is an extremely senior base as far as captains are concerned. But some of us copilots are would like to change to ZRH but we have a co-pilot shortage here.

Typical rotations for us include LUG-GVA two times or LUG-ZRH 2x. We also fly LUG-GVA-LCY-GVA-LUG and LUG-BRN-CDG-BRN-LUG. IMHO, our best rotation is LUG-BSL-AMS-BSL-THF (Berlin Templehof nightstop) then the following day we do THF-BSL-FLR-ZRH-LUG (BSL=Basel, AMS=Amsterdam, FLR=Florence). This is a bit of a tough rotation but it is really cool with Tempelhof being my favorite airport. Really cool old style building and beautiful green areas! Florence is also cool with an interesting approach with the Loc offset from the runway by 3° - enough to notice.

I guess we average about 3.5 block hours per day when we fly. We are scheduled for about 15 days per month with about 5 reserve days. I am called out of reserve about 1 time every 2 months. But that is unique to LUG. I think that the pilots in the other bases get called out of reserve much more.

Hope that helps to answer your questions!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Question For Pilots And F/a's

Mon Sep 09, 2002 7:02 pm

I fly for a UK charter airline and compared to other UK charter airlines we are pretty similar. There are no typical routes which is one of the nicer points, we boast about 50 destinations from my base airport (LGW) alone. Some of these destinations are only served once a week but most are served more frequently.

In the Summer (May - Oct) we fly around 90-95 hours a month which is hard work. The winter (Nov - Apr) is quieter and typically we fly 50 hours a month, sometimes less. November is usually very quiet as the ski season hasn't started and the Summer program is finished.

The vast majority of our flights are "there and backs" which makes life pretty easy (home at the end of every duty typically). So a standard duty will involve an outbound and return flight, each sector ranging from 2 hours to 5 hours depending on the destination. Worst duties are Paphos / Larnacas taking about 4.5 / 5 hours each way. So a 6am report @ LGW with a 7am departure to Larnaca will get you back into LGW for about 6pm which is 12 hours on duty.

We don't have the luxury of the US-style duty regs on maximum 8 hour 2-crew duty either so that 12 hours is just a single crew (two of us). It is worse at night, reporting 6pm and returning for 6am  Yawn. Quite a large proportion of our flights are through the night.

As for rosters we get ours roughly on the 15th of the month prior to the applicable month (so on or around 15th Sep I should get my 1st to 31st October roster). Don't get a say in when or where I fly as I am not very senior, but of course guaranteed to not be working any booked holiday time.

Getting called out from standby is quite common over the Summer, probably 1 in every 3 times on average. Less common in Winter though. My airline likes to use standby duties as a way to reorganise your entire month which is a bit awkward on your social life.

On the plus side we also get the occasional longhaul (763) flight to the Caribbean / Mexico / Florida and normally get at least a few days off at the destination, sometimes up to a week which is very nice indeed  Smokin cool

Hope this was of some interest?

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RE: Question For Pilots And F/a's

Tue Sep 10, 2002 3:10 am

I am a pilot for Hawaiian Airlines, on the 767-300ER. I'm based in Seattle, one of our smallest bases, and we have a limited number of routes we fly out of here. Most of our trips from SEA are two day out and backs to either Honolulu or Kahalui Maui. The flights leave in the morning out of SEA, and arrive around noon (local time) in Hawaii. Because of the U.S. duty/flight time regs, we'll spend about 24 hours in the islands, then return the next day, arriving back in Seattle late in the evening. The flights are scheduled 5:55 westbound, and 5:40 eastbound. Those are the summer schedules, and the times will vary a little as the winter winds kick up.

Unless we have vacation or training taking up part of our schedule, we fly seven or eight of those trips per month, which gives us 80 - 90 hours of flying per month. We get the monthly schedules on the 10th for the following month, and have until the 20th to bid on which trips we want to take. The schedules are then organized by seniority, with the most senior pilots getting their first choices, then the next most senior, and so on. In Seattle with about 30 pilots, this leaves 3-4 captains and F/O's with reserve lines (on standby in case someone calls in sick, or is on vacation, or a trip simply isn't covered).

Our pilots based in San Francisco get much the same schedule, with the people in Los Angeles getting a few more varied trips. And the Honolulu crews (our biggest base) usually fly all over our system.

In general it's great duty. Easy flying, great layover locations (most of the time), new planes, and the best bunch of people I've ever had to pleasure of working with.

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RE: Question For Pilots And F/a's

Tue Sep 10, 2002 8:46 am

Cool! Thanks for the replies.

I actually meant to post this in the civil av. forum, but what the heck...

RE: Question For Pilots And F/a's

Tue Sep 10, 2002 9:17 am

Airline types are the only ones with good schedules. I am a corporate pilot and I’ve been with my employer for 14 years. During this entire time I have averaged 13 days per month (about 3 days per week), including 8 RONs. Additionally, I get 36 days vacation annually. Requesting certain days off is not a problem. Our scheduling department is usually very good about honoring any request that we have. As far as flight time goes, we normally fly right at 50 hours per month.

We have plants and facilities in all 50 States, Canada, Mexico, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Spain, Latvia, Poland, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand. We fly to all 50 States and Canada on a very regular basis and several trips to Europe, South America, Mexico and the Pacific Rim a year.
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@ AgnusBymaster

Wed Sep 11, 2002 4:10 am

Don't worry AgnusBymaster,

You didn't post it in the tech forum by accident.
It was moved to this tech forum by a moderator who considered this to be a tech question!  Nuts  Nuts

I found this out after I had used the "suggest deletion" button to have it moved to tho the civ-forum and after having emailed a moderator about your question being in this tech forum.

He replied me that he was the one who had moved it to the tech forum.  Wow!


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