SophieMaltese
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Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 2:21 am

I've heard that it is possible to plug a tape recorder through your headset somehow and record your conversations with ATC. I heard somewhere that a student pilot did this and it helped him. I just can't figure out how exactly to do it. My tape recorder doesn't have the same size jack as the headphones do...there's gotta be something you buy in put between your headphones and the jack in the plane but I don't know what? Anyone?
 
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:09 am

Suggestion - no advertisement - take your earphone/mike assembly and your tape recorder to a Radio Shack store or something equivalent, and tell them you want "y" plugs to record from your airplane... all it takes is some adapter plugs of the proper size...
 
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:17 am

You might run into an impedence problem, so don't test it on a tape recorder and headphones that you like.
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 5:42 am

Well, I typed this once and it didn't post so here it comes again.

WELCOME BACK SKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, yea, I know, but it needed to be said.

Sophie, check the Sporty's catalogue. I think they may already make something like this. If it's in sporty's though, it costs about 3x what it's worth.

Sorry if this comes up twice.
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:18 am

Be careful about using Y cords. Aircraft audio systems are very different than consumer electronics. As mentioned before be aware of the impedance.

Also, don't ever use a Y cord in the microphone circuit. Aircraft microphone circuits use a DC bias voltage that needs to be de-coupled before introducing it to any additional equipment. Again, impedances will pose a problem.
 
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:40 am

yes sophie, forgot about impedance problem, had a bad experience one day...
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a first officer once "plugged in" his new "Sony" hi-fi (and comfy) earphones to the communication system, we had total loss of communications (reception) until we could fix it by him unplugging these earphones...
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:01 am

Sophie,

Maybe you can use a stenograph, though it might be a little cumbersome.  Big grin

 
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 12:24 pm

Sophie (or, should I say, Sophie's person)-

Many of the aircraft intercom systems have a "record-out" connection; are you flying only one particular aircraft, or are you at the mercy of a fleet of (exquisitey-maintained) 152s? In any event, check out the panel for the intercom you're using.

You could even buy a basic 2-place intercom with the referenced connections for less than $100.00, and use it when you are flying.

You almost done with that PPL? Get it over with, girl, then you can go out and fly whenever you want (and the WX cooperates), like I did today. One of these days, I'm flying to New Orleans for... well, because flying is fun. Which airport is best for GA ops there? More importantly, where is one most likely to run into vous?

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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:38 pm

Sophie....

The simplest was I can think of is to go ahead and by a handheld scanner from Radio Shack (I have a Pro-79) and then run a Male-Male cable from the headset jack on it to the tape deck, digital recorder, mini-cassette recorder, what ever you want to record with.

Since it is all consumer connections the impuence won't be an issue. Just make sure you have good batteries in the scanner and in the recorder. Since it is completely independent of the aircraft you can use in it in whatever you fly and not worry about having the right plugs, any plugs or matching impedence and it will be extremely portable too since it doesn't depend on any connections to the aircraft.

You just need to remember to either, A set the scanner to each frequency you wish to transmit when you change frequencies (That might be a pain especially in busy airspace, maybe take along a freind to do this Big grin ), or B go ahead an program in a set of frequencys that you commonly use (you will lose some transmissions if the scanner locks onto somebody else on another band transmitting).

Besides it isn't a bad idea to have an aircraft band scanner anyway, in case of a radio failure you can at least hear everybody else, even if you can't transmit.

My scanner was a middle of the road model at Radio Shack and set me back about 100 bucks.

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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:43 pm

I should add that a good lower end scanner you are probably looking at about 80 dollars and the male-male cable that I have ran about four bucks.
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 5:36 pm

And... don't go waving your recordings around. Here, and I think in most of the world, you're not supposed to tell anyone what you hear on the air band, leave alone record it.

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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 5:44 pm

There shouldn't an issue in the US.

Signals transmitted are generally considered "public domain" just like your trash can. Cell Phones are the big exception. That was only Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman made a big stink about an over-the cordless phone fight of they had ending up on the front page of the Enquirer. It also happened to some big-wig politician too which helped getting wireless phone conversations covered by the wiretapping laws.

There are some local laws about police bands and such but I don't know of any involving aircraft radio bands, especially if you are a party to those conversations.

At face value I don't see an issue with doing this.

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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:37 pm

Dear L-188 - yes all that is "free" and "public domain" in North America...
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But dont forget many of our friends here are not living in that area... In my old days I was often based temporarily in distant countries and... I am a radio "ham"... used to tote a very nice radio receiver with me before my "nowadays" toting a laptop... that radio receiver was often the subject of concern from some custom agents in these countries, because it had the full HF/SSB or VHF bands reception capability...
xxx
Listening to the BBC News probably was a security concern for these people...
VHF aircraft and some parts of the HF/SSB bands are occasionally "off limits" for out friends overseas... let us not forget about that...
xxx
Some rules are ridiculuous to you or to me (right about that)... As a pilot, one day, my "Swiss Army knife" was once confiscated from me from an overzealous security agent in Saudi Arabia... and stepping into that terminal to wait for my flight... I was surprised to see "Swiss Army knives" for sale in the airport stores... in the "secure" areas... how ridiculous...
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:22 pm

Granted skipper,

But Sophie is a New Orleans Girl Big grin



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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:39 pm

Here, they're public domain allright. You can listen to the airband (or any other frequency you care to monitor) all you like. The police frequencies are off limits if you're in a car, that's it. I can very handily turn on/off reception of the policeband on my radio with the push of a button though - "No, officer, I'm only listening to the air traffic above, listen for yourself"... Big grin You just can't pass on any information you happen to pick up on the air band and I think recording is illegal as well. Distributing recordings certainly is.

In many parts of the world, even having an airband receiver is illegal. However, from what I hear the ban is not enforced in many of these countries.

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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:13 am

During our army days, we had this simple slogan that I feel would apply to this case of recording transmissions or even listening.... "do anything you want but dont' get caught".... sounds logical to me? does it to u?

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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:00 pm

Actually, I wanted to record in the plane so I can hear the different people I am talking to. When I fly cross country everything goes so fast and I think it would help to be able to go back and listen to it again. That would be hard to do with a scanner but I would like to buy one. My CFI has a transceiver (is that what it's called?) and one time I was in the pattern solo and was very surprised to hear his voice asking the controller to ask me to land. The weather was getting a little too bad and I felt like a little girl with daddy calling her in from playing. I actually was planning on landing anyway.

Scuttler, I feel like I'll never finish my PPL. It seems if it's not bad WX, then I have no money to fly, or I am going out of town, or my CFI is out of town, or I have a big test, or always something. The weather and money are actually the worst obstacles. I was all set to do a solo XC Sunday and the weather changed my plans. I swear it storms here like every single day.

And I fly at NEW.
 
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:28 pm

I can hear the gate calls already!!
 
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:29 pm

Thats life in the South East for you. There are times it seems like I can never go flying.
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:34 pm

Hang in there, girl. When I was just about done, we hit a stretch of WX that had me screaming- every weekend was too rainy, or the crosswind component was too much for solo release. I finally scheduled the check ride (not to be confused with a Czech ride, which is a drive to the bakery for kolaches), and took some time away from the office to get ready.

Hey, that's what credit cards are for. Do the final push in one quick clump, before you start to see the charges on the credit card statement.

Anyway, when I head down to NEW (that's one cool looking airport), I'll make you take me flying to show off your consummate skills. Then I'll buy the beignets.

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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:48 pm

There are many legitimate products out there (such as King or Sporty's videos) that have all kinds of recorded radio transmissions on them, so if they can get away with it, I'm sure it's not illegal in the U.S.
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:01 pm

Ummm, is this thing broken?

Check, check.
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RE: Recording Radio Communciations?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:04 pm

oops... browser cache strikes again!

Recording radio transmissions, in the USA, is completely legal. Exception is the interception and recording of cellular telephone call signals.

You can also buy digital recorders which are designed to plug in between the headset and the intercom.
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