wardialer
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Communications During Aerobatic Maneuvering

Sun Sep 22, 2002 4:11 pm

Always wanted to know if an aircraft wanting to do aerobatics between altitudes of 2000 ft to 5000 ft with a high rate of ascent and descent then how would the pilot switch from tower frenquency to approach/departure frequency. Because this would be extremely anoying having to switch from tower to departures all the time during a constant high rate of ascent or descent.

Now suppose:

If an aircraft plans to do extreme up and down manuevers and lets say hes at an altitude now at 1500 feet and plans to go up at a very high ascent to 6000 feet were they usually switch off to departure freq. and come down at a very fast rate of descent then do they switch over to tower or remain on departure freq. if the pilot decides to do this constantly. Would the pilot be swithing back and forth from tower and departure frequency? That would be too hectic to switch all the time No?????
 
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RE: Communications During Aerobatic Maneuvering

Sun Sep 22, 2002 4:53 pm

If acrobatic flight is conducted for training purpose, it is generally done in a specific area, which is controlled by a single frequency, such as military training areas... If it performed above an airfield/airport for an airshow, again only one frequency is used for the purpose of airshow communications, and obviously the area is closed to other traffic during an airshow...
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RE: Communications During Aerobatic Maneuvering

Sun Sep 22, 2002 4:59 pm

First off we don't fly in controlled airspace (check the regs for the exacts).

For us we usaully fly 3,000-5000ft AGL for practice much lower for comp. I set the deck to about 2,500 AGL (where I make believe the ground is), so it gives me 1,000ft to spare.

Usual annoucment for us is on the air to air or the local practice area freq if the area has one assigned. Most commications go:
"South Practice area *I use all aircraft when on air to air* Pitts/Extra/Edge... is manuevering... *state location* between *say alts MSL* *state maneuvers, loops, spins, rolls etc* South Practice area"

I do that anoucment every 10-15 mins. Its not required even when I forget I hear the chatter about people saying to aviod me.
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RE: Communications During Aerobatic Maneuvering

Sun Sep 22, 2002 5:08 pm

Oh forgot to mention when operating an aerobatic box (airshows and competitions):

For the box we commiunicate on two freqs (at least that what our waiver requires), UNICOM, used for landings and take offs, also we make an announcment from the ground telling all new traffic about the box.

The second freq is the box frequency that controls the holding patterns (we have two holding patterns for competitions) they come from UNICOM to box freq I clear them into a particular holding pattern, and I clear them into the box for flight.

The box freq is also used to warn the aerobatic pilot about traffic violating the box (which happen at least once or twice a day during an average competition by idiots who don't check the NOTAMs, and overfly the field without annoucing it on UNICOM).

The biggest note is that unless we are operating in a low altitude aerobatic box (or box waiver allows aerobatic manuevers down to 500' AGL), we don't have to talk to anyone.
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RE: Communications During Aerobatic Maneuvering

Sun Sep 22, 2002 5:09 pm

Oh skipper replied, your up awefuly early (or late depending where you are).

Whats your excuse? I myself want to get a flight in before that annoying hurricane clouds up the sky.
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