bobcat
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How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Mon Sep 30, 2002 10:40 pm

I was flying back on the redeye flight from LA this weekend.
Before boarding, I turned off my cell phone and stuffed
it in my briefcase.(apparently I had not pressed the off
button hard enough and the phone was still on)

Two hours into the flight, I was reading a book when
I noticed the FA and the co-pilot walking up and down the
aisles several times, as if they were looking for something.
They stopped in front me and asked if I had my cell phone
on. This is their facial expression at the time  Pissed

I replied that I did have a phone, but it was turned off.  Confused
They asked to see it and I took it out of my briefcase.
Oh no, it was indeed on. I apologized for my mistake and
they simply asked me make sure it's turned off the next
time.

I was left there somewhat embarrassed Embarrassment AND bewildered.  Confused
How did they find out I was the one? The co-pilot had
a strange-looking walkman-sized device in his hand.
Is that some new gadget they use to track down phone
on planes nowadays?  Smile
 
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Mon Sep 30, 2002 10:41 pm

By the way, my briefcase was in the overhead bin at the time...
 
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Mon Sep 30, 2002 10:52 pm

I was coming back from Antalya (Turkey) to Moscow on a Sibir IL 86 and the use of cellular phones was allowed during flight except during t/o and landing!  Big thumbs up
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:11 pm

I felt soooo embarrased in my last flight (EZY BCN-LGW), my friend forgot to turn of his phone, and when we were approaching to LGW, he began to receive loads of messages (clearly audible for almost all the cabin). Anyway, nobody came to tell him to turn off the phone...
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:20 pm

Few months ago on a Ryanair flight EDI-DUB a mobile started ringing when the plane was entering from the taxiway into the main runway, but no one of the 3 FA's onboard cared about it. Instead many passengers looked scared. But after few second the old B737/200 started to run and it was so noisy that it wasn't possible to hear the mobile anymoe.
 
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:21 pm

On a flight from DUS to TXL I forgot to turn off my mobile phone during boarding, I recognized it when I disembarked the plane in Berlin but nothing happened, the plane flew and landed safely also with a mobile phone that was switched on.

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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:31 pm

It's pretty common as we descend into Gatwick these days at about 5 - 6,000ft to get a bit of interference from mobile phone signals through our headsets. People have their phones on, either by accident or on purpose, and the the handsets start to get into range of ground transmitting stations again.

Once was on a flight where I had forgotten to switch my phone off all the way from Greece after using it on the ground there. As we came into land we got the interference through the headsets and the Captain tutted and exclained how bad it was this was happening so often these days. Seconds after agreeing with him, the "Beep Beep" message tone came from my flight case!! I was very embarrased, but the Captain saw the funny side!
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:41 pm

Anyone able to answer Bobcat's question? Do they use "machines" to find GSM signals or how did they find out?
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:44 pm

Bobcat, you may want to post this question in the Tech/Ops Forum. SOme pilots may be able to help you out there. I'm curious to know the answer to this myself.
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:49 pm

We certainly have no such detection means on our aircraft, nor would it be feasable to invest in such equipment when the risk is proven to be so very small. If we are seriously bothered about any interference we can simply make a PA asking passengers to check their phones are switched off. They quickly do...

Much of the pressure surrounding the ban on mobile phones in flight comes from the mobile phone companies themselves, as airbourne handsets are able to communicate with more than one ground transmitter which confuses the system (in the old days to such an extent that those on the ground would get free calls for a few hours!).
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:16 am

Are you sure it was the FO and not a male flight attendant. The reason I ask is the crew is not allowed to come out of the cockpit except to use the lavatory. I have not seen a pilot walk past the first class galley on any of my flights since Sept 11th. The only time I could see this happening was on a flight where there was an FB onboard and that would be on a flight over 8 hours.

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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:22 am

"The reason I ask is the crew is not allowed to come out of the cockpit except to use the lavatory."

News to me... can enter and leave the flightdeck as we please in our airline. Those 9 hour transatlantics back to the UK at night wouldn't be the same without a good chinwag with the crew in the rear galley...

I tend to use the toilets at the back too on longer flights, my legs wouldn't stand just getting up once or twice to use the closest loo!  Big grin
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:45 am

Meechy36: Huh? Sounds odd to me. Noticed crew members with more serious uniforms and golden stripes on their shoulders walk through the cabin of two recent BA flights, several times. I was quite sure they were pilots/copilots, not FAs...

Regards

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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:50 am

Rick - What about interference from CD players, camcorders, Cameras etc? I thought you weren't allowed to use them because they could turn into a projectile or something in turbulence  Smokin cool, but apparently not...
 
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:54 am

I had an emarassing situation once when doing the safety demo on a Canada 3000 flight. I was in the middle of the aisle, and right when the announcement to ensure all electonic equipment was shut off, and cell phones were prohibited, I hear a ring! Of course, I put on my mean face and start looking for the person who's phone is ringing, and it's mine!!! It's a flip phone, so I had to open it up, which automatically accepts the call, then hang up on the caller.
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 1:07 am

We have no detection equipment but alot of times if a phone is on and receiving a signal there is a very loud buzzing and clicking noise over the radio. I must confess though - I have forgotton to turn my phone off on many occasions and have never had a problem. Like I said, it isn't a consistant problem, but it does happen from time to time. Anything that transmit signals on frequency can present a problem. Camcorders, CD players etc... don't so the reason behind those not being allowd is for safety reasons as mentioned. Everyone makes mistakes and forgets to turn them off but it becomes a problem when passengers refuse to adhear to the rules and blatantly defy the FA's requests to turn the phone off (happens often). And as far as us not being allowed out of the flightdeck... simply not true.


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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 1:41 am

The real deal in the US is the FCC. (Federal Communications Commission). They (not the FAA) are the ones that require cell phones be turned off in flight. A cell phone is constantly transmitting and receiving while it's on. At altitude when a call is made the phone can "hit" several towers and cause massive tie-ups in the system. I have heard that some of the phones with the "walkie-talkie" feature can cause interference with VOR/ADF systems, but I don't have any firsthand knowledge of that.

I do know that I have used my cell phone in the cockpit while running qualification tests on the ILS system. No defects. And then ran the same tests again with the phone "off" with the same result.
 
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 3:57 am

Wasn't there a case in the UK recently where someone got jailtime for using his cellphone on a flight (or maybe even just having it switched on). I think he was playing a game on his cell phone not realising that his phone was still active.

We all make light of it, but it should be taken seriously, woe betide the first person who is found responsible for a crash or incident involving improper cell phone usage. Even if there isn't a specific FAA rule that says "cell phones must not be used in flight", this would surely go down as "failure to comply with crewmember instructions" (sorry, I didn't mean to call you Shirley).

Some airlines allow the use of cell phones while at the gate, whereas I've also been chastised for using my cellphone during a stopover in Phoenix on a very popular point-to-point airline in the US.

My $0.02

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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 5:33 am

Regarding cell phone detectors: they do exist and are routinely used on at least one Italian airline before takeoff.
 
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 10:37 am

As per the FARs, either of the two pilots can vacate the cockpit to deal with a safety of flight issue. The one remaining behind has to be on supplimental oxygen.

Reading some of NASA reports, there have plenty of cell-phone related safety of flight issues.

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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 11:12 am

>I have heard that some of the phones with the "walkie-talkie" feature can cause interference with
>VOR/ADF systems, but I don't have any firsthand knowledge of that.

First hand knowledge (Nextel for all my employees--including myself):
Nextel phones _can_ interfere with VOR's, ILS', VHF's, ACARS, TV's, AM/FM Radios, wireless telephones, standard telephones and just about any other electronic device. The variables are how close the cellphone is to the other device [or parts of that device] and what frequencies are being used by each. It doesn't matter what mode the Nextel phone is in either. If it is ON, it _can_ [and often does] create the interference.
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 1:49 pm

Electronic devices, especially big ones like laptops, can cause interference with navigation devices such as ILS recievers. This is not good.

Think about this next time you're tempted to play with your toy in the air. What if you're cellphone gives screws up the ILS reciever and the pilot thinks he's at the correct altitude when in fact he's 500 ft below glideslope? Hug onto to that cellphone because it might just be the last thing you ever see.
 
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 2:13 pm

Uh, KAUSpilot:

I don't know about you and where you fly but on our corporate planes and our NetJets fractions all the pilots flight planning and mapping is done with laptops. They have never been a problem that I've ever heard of.

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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Tue Oct 01, 2002 3:03 pm

Well I think pilots are allowed out of the cockpit. On my Qantas flight this year the Capt and the FO came to my seat in economy class at the back of the B744 to have a chat with me while the second officer keeps vigil in the flightdeck.
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Pho

Tue Oct 01, 2002 11:43 pm

Nextel phones operate on the 800mhz spectrum.... Motorola IDEN technology, a sort of proprietory TDMA/GSM...They interfere with everything...900mhz Cordless phones, They probably would interfere with radar too...They suck battery juice like hell too...
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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 2:40 am

Somebody mentioned camcorders and video games... I was told not to carry (equipment with) lithium batteries. Does anybody know the reason for this? A lot of photocamera's use these type.

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RE: How Did Pilot Know I Forgot To Turn Off My Phone?

Wed Oct 02, 2002 2:45 am

I've read NASA ASRS reports about laptops interfering with the avionics on airliners. Maybe the avionics in your newer coporate jets aren't susceptible to this.

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