Kay
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Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:19 pm

Hi all,

just flew to Larnaca, Cyprus and back this weekend. We were coming from Beirut airport and were to land on rwy 04 at Larnaca, in the airbus A320 of Cyprus airways. The flight is only 20 minutes, so the aircraft doesn't climb more than 10 or 15000ft.

Here's the weird part. At the last stages of descent, we were at about 1000ft when I saw a strip of runway to the right of the aircraft. It was short, ends on the shore and looked more like a road. I remember clearly saying the myself "this can't be the runway because we are so off the center I would miss it even if I was in a Cessna!"
and all of a sudden, the plane engages into a descending 30' bank to the right at less than 1000ft, goes on with the bank, it isn't steep or rough, just firm and regular. It stays in the bank, yet is descending closer and closer to the ground. At one point, we were almost entering the threshold, the ground just a few feet below us, and the aircraft still engaged in the same bank. Just before we flew above the tarmac, the aircraft went smoothly to straight and level, exactly aligned at the center of the runway. Being a PPL myself, I was very surprised as to how late pilots are allowed to be unaligned with the center of the runway. It is the first time this happens to me, there was no base/final turn, just a smooth descending roll that ended exactly at the runway threshold center.

So there are no rules whatsover against that kind of landing?
kay
 
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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:59 pm

Very unusual if it was as you described. Larnaca 04 is a pretty standard VOR or NDB straight-in approach, or more often a simple visual approach.

On the NDB or VOR you pretty much have to be established on the FAT (Final Approach Track) by 6 miles which is much further away than on the flight you described. On a visual approach (757) I would never want to be at less than 4 miles before being on track with a good height profile. You would still be at 1,200ft @ the 4 mile point on the 04 approach to LCLK.

Our company policy requires the aircraft to be fully stabilised on the approach in both lateral and vertical profiles at 1,000ft AAL at the latest.

Of course we can deviate from the standard operating procedures whenever necessary but only when safe conditions to do so exist and there is good reason.
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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Tue Oct 15, 2002 12:01 am

I am no expert, but it sounds to me as if it was an offset ILS/LDA approach.
 
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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Tue Oct 15, 2002 12:36 am

But there isn't one at Larnaca... and I have the latest Jepps.
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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Tue Oct 15, 2002 1:50 am

Have personally operated to Larnaca (ry04), visual approach in a Lockheed TriStar, rolled out on final at one mile at 300 feel agl. Not all that difficult if done properly.
 
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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Tue Oct 15, 2002 3:00 am

Why did you roll out so late, 411A?
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Kay
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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Tue Oct 15, 2002 3:46 pm

that's weird. When I got off the A320, I took another look at it to make sure it is not much smaller than the average narrow-body jet. It sure felt very nimble and agile by the way the pilot handled it.
Also, there is no space at all for correction in case he approaches too wide or too fast?

I mean, what about all the circuit patterns, ILS signals, PAPI/VASI etc? if on a good day it is so easy to just land the thing like it was a Cessna, not forbidden nor discouraged? not even slightly dangerous?
 
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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Tue Oct 15, 2002 4:04 pm

Not "late" Covert, it was planned that way.
If you have ever done close-in circling in a jet, you would understand.
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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Wed Oct 16, 2002 12:49 am

Never done that before, sorry didnt mean for it to sound that way...
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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Wed Oct 16, 2002 5:11 am

What's the big mystery here? The pilot simply flew a traffic pattern. Instead of distinct base to final legs he just flew a 180 from the downwind. That is perfectly legal and perfectly safe.
 
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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Wed Oct 16, 2002 3:08 pm

ThirtyEcho,

Actually, the plane was never on downwind, just flew prependicularly until very close to the runway and very low, at which point it banked and landed.

it's no big deal, its just that this is the first time I witness this kind of landing. Never saw it before..

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RE: Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?

Wed Oct 16, 2002 4:36 pm

Saw something like this in Changi Airport on both a CX 777-300 (CX2073) and RSAF KC-135/F-50 ... the CX was visual of 02L, and he was on downwind (I would say perpendicular to 02R) when he turned and when he completed the turn he was just above the threshold........ same with the KC-135/F50s however that came in on 20R... Very spectacular to watch though.
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