sushka
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Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 5:48 am

I recently saw an advertisement in Flying Magazine for Gulfstream Academy and they showed some pictures of a guy in a Beech 1900 and the caption said that he had something like 260 hours and then later as a F/O on a Northwest Airlink CRJ with something like 490 hours.
I thought that most regionals require at least 1000 total with like 100 ME
So is this possible.. or is it a hoax??
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:30 am

Hello Sushka - Hello Friends -
Vacations - presently in Iquitos, but checking on you all...
xxx
The minimum qualification for F/O in commercial operations (USA 121/135) is -
Commercial Pilot Licence/Certificate
Airplane Multiengine Land, with Instrument Rating...
So, basically you could have such qualifications with some 300 hrs total time.
xxx
Now, what the said air carrier requires is matter of company policy...
They might say i.e. 500 hrs total, or 1,000 hrs total time...
Or they might say 500 hrs multiengine time...
Policies can be changed, exceptions can be made...
xxx
Suppose that company has EMB Brasilias, and you have that type rating...
But only 20 hours multiengine time...
They might very well accept you, disregarding total time as you have Brasilia qualification...
xxx
You have to make a difference between the two...
The legal qualifications, and the experience levels which are policies...
xxx
The worst illustration of qualifications, i.e. Atlas Air Cargo (747) -
If you have a 747 type rating, they would be happy to hire you...
Regardless of your total time... or they might say minimum 200 hrs F/O 747...
Again... it all varies company to company...
xxx
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learpilot
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:13 am

Sushka,

You're possibly opening a whole can of worms with this one. You're right with the 1000 & 100 analogy, but they vary from airline to airline. These times, with the amount of pilots looking for work they can be selective and raise the minimums. About 3 years ago, at some places they were as low as 600 & 25.

Now, on to what you're talking about. The guy at Gulfstream with 260 hours isn't getting paid to be an airline pilot - he's paying Gulfstream to be one. Yes, you read that right. He paid the company something on the order of $18,000 to sit in the right seat of the Mighty Beech 1900 for 250 hours. After he flies 250 hours, he's fired. Unless, of course, he writes another $18,000 check. Oh, yea, and writing the check doesn't necessarily mean he makes it through initial training - and you don't get your money back if you flunk out. This scam has a name, PFT (pay for training), and it's not looked at highly in the industry, either. Would you be thrilled if the co-pilot of your flight was there because he could write a check, not because he was the most qualified? For that matter, do you know of any other profession where the one that should be getting paid actually pays his employer? Not me. Doctors don't, Lawyers don't. So why do pilots? It undermines the whole group when they let employers know they'll do "anything" to get flight time. Including paying for it.

Now on to the Northwest Airlink CRJ pilot. Chances are he's just finished his 250'th hour of Mighty Beech time at Gulfstream. Pinnacle airlines (the NW CRJ airline) has an agreement with Gulfstream where they will interview people from there even though don't meet their published minimums. Everyone else must meet the 1200 & 200.

Hope that answered your question.
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 10:21 am

It's all market driven; meaning the time requirements can be adjusted depending on the supply and demand for pilots. Naturally, if there is a shortage of pilots, the miniums will be lowered; if there is a surplus, the minimums will be raised as sort of an automatic "weed out" of low-time pilots. Right now, we appear to have a surplus; when the economy picks up and the influx of old-timers retire, the pilot surplus should be absorbed.
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 12:27 pm

Learpilot,

The updated cost for the Gulfstream program is $23,940.00. I was deperate enough to look into it for about 2 days.
 
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 12:57 pm

ERFly,

So what are you doing now? I'm just curious, because I'm graduating from college next month and need to get the ball rolling on my own aviation career. Thanks.
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 2:25 pm

Since I am hoping to get hired in the springtime, I have done a tremendous amount of research on this subject.


Basically all the regionals want 1200 hours total, and 200 multi. This varies though- some want 1500 and 500 plus 100 instrument in the higher cases.


The higher quality the time, and the more people you know, the better. I knew of some people that got hired with 300 TT and under 50 multi before 9-11. Now you can pretty much forget that. Oh well.... good luck to us all trying to get hired.
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:25 pm

What's the minimum total time to get an ATP?
300 TT sounds really low. Last time I checked, you need 40 just for a private pilot's license.
Then ya have to get instrument, commercial , multi.....
Surely not even a B1900 flying regional has ever hired pilots without an ATP?

Or does 300 just count pilot in command time?
 
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:29 pm

I think to get an ATP rating you need somewhere around 2000 hours total time. I'm not very sure on that figure though, however I know it's pretty high.

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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:31 pm

nope... 300 total time is just that... just barely commercial rated.

ATP is 1500 TT and 500 cross country, and 23 years of age.


I don't plan on having my ATP before I get hired unless it takes me another year- as I am only 21. You only need an ATP to be a captain.
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ERFly
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:55 pm

Jhooper,

I've resigned the fact that I'm not going to find a flying job around Daytona Beach for a while and since there are going to be cutbacks at my current job, I'm taking a different road.

I'm trying to become a flight attendant. I figure its a good way in with an airline. Also, one of the Captains for this airline said that he could get me a flight instructing job up there.

I figure that while its not flying as a pilot, it is flying and its money. Besides when you go with a company as small as this, I think anyway to get into the company is a good one. I think my chances are as good as any for being hired within.

That's just what I'm doing.
 
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Fri Nov 29, 2002 2:15 am

Cloudy,
You need 1500 to get an ATP. Only the captains need to be ATP rated. A large precentage of co-pilots only hold a commercial license.

The easiest way to get your ATP, and It's how I did it, is to combine your upgrade (from co-pilot to captain) check ride with the ATP check ride - It's the exact same thing. This way, you don't have to pay for anything, except the written test.

In these times, however, it looks good if you already have your ATP.
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:53 am

ERFly,

I was searching jobs at "Planejobs.com", and it brought up this banner towing operation called "Aerial Messages" located at Daytona Beach. What do you know about that operation? Is it something worth looking into?
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Fri Nov 29, 2002 1:03 pm

Jhooper,

My roommate was going to do that for while he actually started the training. They make you pay $2,500 for training and then its a possibility they might hire you. I personally am not a fan of banner towing. It kinda scares me. (That's just me.) It is a good way to build time, however and race weeks are coming up. Then its Bike Week and Spring Break. If you time it right, it could be really good.
 
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RE: Hours Needed To Fly For A Regional Airline

Fri Nov 29, 2002 4:41 pm

Here in Aust. the basic requirements of the Regionals are: 1000-1500TT/500Multi-Command/CPL/Multi-Engine IFR Rating and you MUST also have ATPL theory subjects. For some reason the regionals here have higher expectations than US regionals which sux. You won't even get into the right seat of a J31 here without your ATPL theory regardless of how many hours you have. Same goes for our majors no ATPL theory=no Flightcrew not even Second Officer.

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