sushka
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1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Mon Jan 27, 2003 10:21 am

Why does Ameriflight require so many hours to fly the Piper Lance? Seems to me that pilots with this many hours would be applying to other regional airlines.
Any ideas why?


http://ameriflight.com/Employment/employment.htm
http://ameriflight.com/Employment/employment.htm

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learpilot
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Mon Jan 27, 2003 10:54 am

Under FAR 135 (the rules that govern charter operations), the pilot is required to have 1200 hours.
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sushka
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:27 am

Ok I didnt know that, thanks
I wonder if many people apply with them for the position of Pa32 F/O  Smile
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ScooterTrash
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:54 pm

There would not be an FO. FAR part 135 allows for single pilot operated aircraft as long as the airplane is certificated for such operation. How many people apply for that job? I don't know, but i would imagine allot, given the current industry hiring conditions!
 
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:11 pm

Under FAR 135 (the rules that govern charter operations), the pilot is required to have 1200 hours.


only for IFR operations
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:09 pm

Actually it is 500 for VFR, 1200 for IFR. Which must include some Cross Country and Night requirements, that I won't list here.

Frankly if I was hiring for a 135 position right now. There is no way in hell that I would hire a furloughed major pilot.

You know that they will bolt as soon as his former employer starts hiring back off the furlough list. Better to get a new body out of school who isn't even going to be able to meet the major time requirements for a while. That way you get some use out of him for a while after you spend all that money to get him typed for your equipment.
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Rick767
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:28 pm

1,200 hours to fly a PA32?!!

To think I only had 230 hours when I started flying 757s.... scary really.
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ScooterTrash
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:18 am

That is scary!  Smile I was still doing allot of stupid stuff in little airplanes when I had triple that time!

Man, i am pretty envious, Rick! I had well over 2,000 hours before I could get a crappy regional to even look at me. You European folks really do have it easy!
 
sushka
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:38 am

Scottertrash, even though some airlines like Skywest only require 1000, is that the average for regional airlines here?
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Wed Jan 29, 2003 3:46 pm

That way you get some use out of him for a while after you spend all that money to get him typed for your equipment.

Typed in a PA32  Big grin


Here are some 2002 interviewing stats:

Majors:
Average Total Time (Civilian): 6014 (Ranging between 1050 and 17000)
Average Total Time (Military): 4286 (Ranging between 1802 and 19961)
Average PIC Time (Civilian): 3649
Average PIC Time (Military): 2746
Average Jet Time (Civilian): 1797
Average Jet Time (Military): 3347
Average Turboprop Time (Civilian): 2519
Average Turboprob Time (Military): 1053
Average Multi Time (Civilian): 4067
Average Multi Time (Military): 3676

Nationals:
Average Total Time (Civilian): 3688 (Ranging between 1116 and 15241)
Average Total Time (Military): 5320 (Ranging between 1352 and 22000)
Average PIC Time (Civilian): 2454
Average PIC Time (Military): 3000
Average Jet Time (Civilian): 1301
Average Jet Time (Military): 3453
Average Turboprop Time (Civilian): 1587
Average Turboprob Time (Military): 2078
Average Multi Time (Civilian): 1974
Average Multi Time (Military): 3461

Jet Regionals:
Average Total Time (Civilian): 6834 (Ranging between 925 and 16890)
Average Total Time (Military): 4609 (Ranging between 1116 and 10000)
Average PIC Time (Civilian): 4101
Average PIC Time (Military): 2628
Average Jet Time (Civilian): 3243
Average Jet Time (Military): 2500
Average Turboprop Time (Civilian): 3089
Average Turboprob Time (Military): 2430
Average Multi Time (Civilian): 4647
Average Multi Time (Military): 3554

Non-Jet Regionals:
Average Total Time (Civilian): 1586 (Ranging between 540 and 5850)
Average Total Time (Military): 2707 (Ranging between 2263 and 3150)
Average PIC Time (Civilian): 1047
Average PIC Time (Military): 1306
Average Jet Time (Civilian): 820
Average Jet Time (Military): 3150
Average Turboprop Time (Civilian): 339
Average Turboprob Time (Military): 1085
Average Multi Time (Civilian): 608
Average Multi Time (Military): 2086

Totals:
Average Total Time (Civilian): 4592 (Ranging between 540 and 17000)
Average Total Time (Military): 4691 (Ranging between 1116 and 22000)
Average PIC Time (Civilian): 2860
Average PIC Time (Military): 2797
Average Jet Time (Civilian): 1727
Average Jet Time (Military): 3116
Average Turboprop Time (Civilian): 2119
Average Turboprob Time (Military): 1615
Average Multi Time (Civilian): 2816
Average Multi Time (Military): 3544

from Air, Inc.
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ScooterTrash
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:42 pm

No... As per the table above. It really runs the gambit though.
 
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:10 pm

I was think more along the lines of a lear or a 1900 or a metro there Jhooper.

But the analagy still applies.

Why would I hire somebody that I know is going to leave as soon as his old carrier starts rehiring off the furlough list?
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DG_pilot
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Thu Jan 30, 2003 1:27 am

Forget the 230 hours for the 757-- I wouldn't want to fly it then if I had the opportunity anyway. I'd rather build my time in a variety of aircraft and environmental conditions. It builds experience and character. It's also more fun that way...
 
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Thu Jan 30, 2003 4:37 am

Dg_pilot,

Very noble goal, but you got to pay those bills, and a 757 co-pilot pays a heck of alot more than most other jobs that you can get at 230hrs.
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Thu Jan 30, 2003 8:07 am

Plenty of pilots who don't fly 757s pay their bills.....
 
Rick767
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:12 am

I fly the 757 and can't pay my bills... what gives??

Living in the UK is hell.... my salary looks nice till the government tax 40% of it!
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:48 am

Rick767- Any chance of a base in the SFB/MCO area? That might take a little bit of the sting out of it Big grin
 
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RE: 1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?

Thu Jan 30, 2003 5:22 pm

Theiler,

Would jump at the chance, but our crewbases are only in the UK unfortunately.
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