mhsieh
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ATC: LAX To NRT

Sun Mar 02, 2003 3:41 pm

I'll be flying from LAX to NRT next week.
Just wondering what the different ATC sectors involved in this flight will be.
1. LA Ground
2. LA Tower
3. LA Departure
4. SoCal Approach
5. LA Center
6. Oakland Center
7. Seattle Center......
What's next??
Thanks.
 
aa61hvy
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Sun Mar 02, 2003 4:26 pm

Maybe Prince Edward Island?
Go big or go home
 
n521na
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Sun Mar 02, 2003 4:51 pm

Anchorage Center and Tokyo Control probably.
 
KLAX
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Sun Mar 02, 2003 6:46 pm

1. LA Clearance Delivery
2. LA Ground
3. SoCal Departure
4. LA Center
5. Oakland Center
6. Seattle Center

 Big grin

Next up after SEA, I dunno  Confused
 
HAL
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Sun Mar 02, 2003 7:13 pm

1)ATIS
2)Clearance delivery
3)LAX Ground
4)LAX Tower
5)Socal Departure
6)LA Center
7)Oakland Center
8)You probably won't get to Seattle Center. You'll be too far offshore to talk to them. After Oakland Center, probably Oakland Oceanic. The crew will be talking to them on HF radio (unless the plane has sat-phone link). They'll stay with Oakland Oceanic until close to Japan, when they'll have a short time with Tokyo Oceanic before switching to Tokyo Center.

Have a good trip!

HAL
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QANTAS747-438
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Sun Mar 02, 2003 7:19 pm

Wow... thats pretty amazing stuff.

What about a flight from LAX-SYD? What kind of sectors would that include?
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donder10
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:26 pm

LAX-SYD would be on HF most of the flight probabarly.
 
ryu2
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:01 am

Based on listening to Channel 9 on a flight SFO-NRT:

SFO Ground
SFO Tower
Bay Departure
Oakland Center
Oakland Oceanic
Tokyo Oceanic
Tokyo Control
Narita Radar
Narita Approach
Narita Tower
Narita Ground

Note that you won't hear stuff from Oakland Oceanic or Tokyo Oceanic, because most planes these dys use datalink, not voice for communications.
 
radarbeam
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:15 am

Prince Edward Island? HAHA PEI is located on the Canadian East coast.  Laugh out loud
 
aa61hvy
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 8:02 am

Ok, my mistake. The island that is north of washington, west of canada..
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doug_or
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 8:12 am

I believe your looking for vancover.
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QANTAS747-438
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:23 am

Is this "Oakland Oceanic" the only "oceanic" type of sector on the US west coast, or are there others? Does Oakland Oceanic do all pacific flights, or just the Northern CA flights?
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timz
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:32 am

Somewhere on line there's a map of Oakland's territory. It's most of the Pacific Ocean north of the Equator and east of-- maybe 140 East? Pretty sure that Seattle and LA Centers just handle flights within radar coverage.
 
tt737fo
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:32 pm

Oakland oceanic is procedural control only.
 
mhsieh
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:48 pm

Thanks everybody...I'll be listening to Channel 9...
 
HAL
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:49 pm

Try this link to show the sectors across the Pacific:

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/pilotcentre/training/RVSM/01over/01over02a1.htm

For QANTAS747-438, a LAX-SYD trip would probably include
1)ATIS
2)Clearance delivery
3)LAX ground
4)LAX tower
5)Socal departure
6)LAX center
7)Oakland Oceanic
8)Nadi Area Control Centre
9)(maybe)Auckland Oceanic
10)Brisbane Oceanic
11)Sydney center
and on down the list into SYD airport.

HAL

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QANTAS747-438
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:49 pm

HAL---

Well, that answered all my questions! Thanks! Also, I spent a lot of time looking for an answer to the original question, and wanted a site just like the one you provided for me. Thanks again!
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QANTAS747-438
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:52 pm

But of ALL the cities and places to do the Pacific flights, why OAKLAND of all places? Who said the US should get the rights to do this? Based on that link, it looks like Oakland Oceanic deals with flights as far as Indonesia!
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backfire
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Tue Mar 04, 2003 6:55 am

LAX-SYD would be on HF most of the flight probably

Not necessarily. If it's a FANS-equipped aircraft then much of the routine communication could be via datalink CPDLC.
 
Guest

RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:03 am

At one time Oakland was the main airport for the San Francisco area. It was not until 40's and early 50's that airlines started to move across the bay to SFO. And as a side note, Oakland Center is not in Oakland. It is about 20 miles south in Fremont.

 
modesto2
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Tue Mar 04, 2003 12:51 pm

I heard that Oakland Oceanic has the callsign of "San Francisco."
 
HAL
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Tue Mar 04, 2003 1:52 pm

Modesto2,
Oakland Oceanic is the controlling ATC agency. However inflight, we don't talk directly to them. All communication is routed through a private radio company called Airinc. They relay all messages to us from ATC and from our company, and distribute our messages out too. They are in San Francisco, so that is why we say "San Francisco" when calling for position reports, altitude changes, etc. while over the Pacific.

HAL
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mhsieh
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Tue Mar 04, 2003 2:51 pm

Hi HAL,
Thanks for your input.
I'll be moving from SoCal to PDX area this summer. I have family in HNL.
Would like to fly non-stop PDX to HNL. Since HAL has a monopoly on PDX-HNL non-stop, HAL would be my airline of choice.
BUT, why is HAL so expensive on PDX-HNL?? Is the flight frequently full?
BTW, how's the service on HAL? I have up to now been a loyal UAL guy...
Thanks again.
 
HAL
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Tue Mar 04, 2003 6:07 pm

Since HAL has a monopoly on PDX-HNL non-stop, HAL would be my airline of choice.
BUT, why is HAL so expensive on PDX-HNL?? Is the flight frequently full?


It's the law of supply & demand. Yes, PDX is one of our best markets, and the flights go out full almost every day. When we retired the DC-10's out of there, we had to add a PDX-OGG flight three days a week because the 767's are a bit smaller than the DC-10's.

BTW, how's the service on HAL? I have up to now been a loyal UAL guy...

Our service matches or beats anything the majors can put up. We've won awards year after year for our service. I know from experience that the food is better than what you'll find on UAL, and the Flight Attendants give you outstanding service on every flight. Plus we have new planes, and very good in-flight entertainment. I know it's part of our advertising, but I do think you get the 'Hawaii starts here' feeling as soon as you get on the plane. Give it a try - you won't go back to the majors again. And seriously, let me know how it goes if you try us. We're always looking for feedback on how we're doing.

HAL

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KLAX
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RE: ATC: LAX To NRT

Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:06 pm

I don't think I'll ever be able to fulfill my dream of flying LAX-HNL on a Hawaiian DC-10  Sad
I love those beautiful silver DC-10s  Love

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