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Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Fri Apr 04, 2003 12:08 pm

I've read a couple of posts where people have doubts as to whether a 763, for instance, could operate safely from MDW. Why couldn't it? It's an excellent performing aircraft, like the 753, which DOES operate from MDW on a regular basis. Putting this into perspective, let's look at operations from OGG(Maui). They only have 7,000 feet! Look at the heavies that operate from there? Currently 777s, 764s, 763s!! I'm sure they're all pretty damn heavy, too! AS all or most of those flights are NON-STOP to LAX, SFO...I think UA even has/had a NON-STOP to ORD? Does that still exist?? Hell, AF flies NON-STOP to CDG with an A343 from SXM (although that flight's gotta be severely weight restricted). That runway's only a mere 7,500 feet! Embarrassment Case and point, I realize MDW has a different set of challenges(operational wise), several obstructions surrounding their runways, threshold displacements and the like, BUT the 2 longest runways there are approx. 6,500 feet. YES, it's SHORT, but obviously long enough to handle a 757-300, so I should think a 767 wouldn't have too much trouble at all operating from MDW. Piece of cake!  Big grin
 
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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Fri Apr 04, 2003 1:23 pm

The real issue is weight.

The max weight for double tandem gear at MDW is 250,000lbs. While it only limits a 757-300 a bit... it would limit a 767-300 a whole lot!

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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:18 pm

Yea, concrete strength can definitely be an issue, as the 757-300 has a much lighter footprint, but she's a LONG beast! How MUCH heavier in comparison to the -200? I'd think it'd be pretty significant.
 
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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:25 pm

I know the 752 MTOW is 250,000, I would imagine the 753 is around 260,000 270,000.
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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:29 pm

If I am not mistaken the City of Chicago did a study back in the 90's that determined the 767-200 and A310 could indeed operate at MDW. Besides runway distance and bearing strength one of the issues of concern was wing clearance distances between taxiways and the gate areas.
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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:33 am

United has no non-stop Hawaii to ORD flights,John.
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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:42 am

A 753's MTOW is 270,000lbs. Since MDW's pretty much in the middle of the country, they don't require full fuel, so at 250,000 you can likely get a 753 anywhere in the US with a full load of passengers on board.

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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Thu Apr 10, 2003 10:20 am

Call me crazy, but on March 18th i have landed in MDW (flying a seneca.. which by the way crashed two hours later when we flew to another airport 20 miles away becuase of a front landing gear issue) - and i'm quite sure there was a northwest 747 parked at one of the gates.. i''m quite sure it was there. which leads to the question - if a 747 can land there.. should a 767 have a problem?
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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Thu Apr 10, 2003 1:39 pm

Danielbk, are you sure you were at MDW? I would think a NW 747 would be distinctive, and I don't recall ever hearing about a 747 at MDW. Then again, it could all be possible, but I'd like to se if someone else chimes in on this. If a 747 lands there, then I would assume a 767 could easily operate out of there.

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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:05 pm

Yep, landed at MDW march 18th at about 1830... (departed from ISP on the seneca 5 hours prior)
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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:11 pm

I guess if the numbers work then they'll do it. I can't work out how British Midland squeeze A321s into the downtown City airport at Belfast. I mean, the only jets into that airport used to BAe 146s and that was a bit hairy, Fly.be had an overrun incident a few years ago. I must confess I was holding my breath on the approach on the A321. Still, it worked fine, and the flights in and out were both full. I guess the low fuel load for the short flight to and from Heathrow makes it a lot easier.

What the hell is a NW 747 doing at MDW?
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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Sun Apr 13, 2003 2:02 am

(departed from ISP on the seneca 5 hours prior)

Apologies, could you please translate this into dumb@$$ for me? Somehow I think I should know what that means, but mysteriously I don't.

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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Sun Apr 13, 2003 2:31 pm

Hey Mike  Smile

i wrote that i departed ISP (McCarthur airport, Long Island.. also known as Islip Airport) 5 hours before for the flight to midway on the "Seneca 2" plane i was flying (a light twin)..

when i landed (we landed on (i think it was 04) 04L (we were on ILS for 04R and as soon as we went visual were requested to change to 04L..) and as i was on the taxi way going to "Atlantic" i remember seeing a NW 747 there. i asked the second pilot that was with me, and he remebers it too.

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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Sun Apr 13, 2003 3:27 pm

That 747 at MDW is very interesting as I couldnt imagine such a plane there. Must have had low fuel and no pax on the way out.
I know TWA operated STL-OGG and back using 767-300. I recently heard that AA dropped this flight and now operates it to and from ORD. I remember departing Maui on TW 763 and we got off the ground with a decent amount of runway remaining. Flight was fairly heavy also. What airline would bring a 767 into MDW? ATA doesnt have them, Southwest obviously doesnt, NW doesnt, AA and UA both hub at ORD down the street.
 
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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:07 pm

TrnsWrld,

It probably would be ATA. A thread in the civil aviation mentioned a rumor that ATA would be getting 767's to replace the L-1011.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1059534/
 
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RE: Debate Over 767 Operations At MDW...

Mon Apr 14, 2003 3:46 am

I'm thinking that a 747 can operate from MDW only because it's got all the additional main gear (meaning, perhaps, you can go to somewhere like twice the double tandem weight -- or at least within a 747's lightest weight).

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