fly707
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Lockheed C-130.

Fri May 16, 2003 4:23 am

I need some help about the C-130 :

-Operational costs ?
-Is it possible to freight vegetables , fruits & life animals on board or no?
-Can it cross the Atlantic ocean or no , Is it equipped with ETOPS or no ?
As I know any three or four jet engine aircrafts are considered to be ETOPS is this rule also on turboprops or no .

Thanks alot for helping .

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RE: Lockheed C-130.

Fri May 16, 2003 4:58 am

ETOPS- extended TWIN engine operation over water..... that should answer that question....  Smile
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RE: Lockheed C-130.

Fri May 16, 2003 5:06 am

Which variant are you thinking of?

-Operational costs ?
Relatively low, it seems, although I think Lockheed said they could drastically reduce operating costs with the L100J so there must be room for improvement.
I remember seeing a figure of US$7500 per hour, although that's not much use without context. Anybody got better figures?

Is it possible to freight vegetables , fruits & life animals on board or no?
People can - and have - carried almost anything in the C-130.
Whether or not it's a good idea - let alone economically viable - is impossible to say.  Big grin

Can it cross the Atlantic ocean or no
Yes, in principle. Empty, I think all variants are capable of YHZ-SNN or something like that (say, as a delivery flight). You couldn't use it commercially across the ocean.

Is it equipped with ETOPS or no ?
"ETOPS regulations govern the design and operation of twin-engined aircraft on routes which contain a point further than one hour’s fliying time at the one-engine inoperative speed."
The Herc is not twin-engined.
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RE: Lockheed C-130.

Fri May 16, 2003 5:06 am

Sorry I mean if any four engined a/c is able to cross the Atlantic ??
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RE: Lockheed C-130.

Fri May 16, 2003 5:14 am

Thanks Bobrayner , I'm thinking of the L-100-30 as I know safair is operating some of them .
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RE: Lockheed C-130.

Fri May 16, 2003 5:15 am

My reply from CivAv:

I thought ETOPS (Extended Twin-engine Operations) only applied to aircraft with two engines?

As for carrying fruit and animals, I see no reason why not. The cabin can be pressurized (5000' at 28000').

The H model has a range of 2000nm w/max payload. That's enough to cross the pond at a short route (like YQX-SNN). J model has range of about 2800nm.

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RE: Lockheed C-130.

Sat May 17, 2003 6:48 am

Does any body know the cargo door dimensions ?
Any useful links ?

Thanks again.
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RE: Lockheed C-130.

Sat May 17, 2003 7:08 am

10 feet wide by 9 feet high.

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RE: Lockheed C-130.

Sat May 17, 2003 8:28 am

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RE: Lockheed C-130.

Sat May 17, 2003 1:01 pm

Here is a link for an actual civie herk operator, Lyndon Air Cargo.

http://www.lac.lynden.com/lac/index.html

There is a load planner on their site that should help you with the capacity questions you had.


For some reason that 7500 an hour seems low.

If memory serves the USCG threatened to charge 10,000 an hour for Herk time to do medivac flights from Adak when Spacemark and the USCG got into a pissing contest over landing fees out in Adak.

That was over 5 years ago.
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RE: Lockheed C-130.

Sat May 17, 2003 1:12 pm

Pretty much any airplane can cross the Atlantic. The routes you wish to travel are the variabe here. "Blue Spruce" routes that put you within reasonable range of land during the entire trip are the long way around, but can be travelled by most airplanes.

The premium lanes are reserved for multi-engine aircraft with RVSM and NATMNPS capabilities. (Reduced Vertical Separation Minima and North Atlantic Minimum Navigation Performance Sprecifications)

ETOPS is just a special operational approval for twin engine aircraft to fly farther away from land then typically allowed. There are various ETOPS time approvals. The airline must not only prove it has capable aircraft, but it's operations and maintenance system are reviewed.

Hercs? There are a few commercial operators out there but it's a specialized area. You have to be willing to go worldwide and the Herc isn't neccessarily the best airplane for the job unless you have alot of big stuff to move long distances.

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