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Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Sun May 18, 2003 11:45 pm

Hey all,

I'm checking in from Boston, my new place of residence. The move went smoothly. I have a quick question about flight instructors and medical certificates. We are all aware that:

-Flight instructors do not need medical certificates to flight instruct, as long as they are not required to be the PIC, i.e. commercial and instrument students.

-If the the flight instructor is required to be the PIC, then only a Class III medical is required.

-Commercial pilots are required to have a Class II medical in order to exercize the priviledges of that certificate, namely to carry persons or property for hire.

My question is: Is a flight instructor allowed to be financially compensated for his or her time when instructing with a Class III medical or none at all?

Thanks in advance for the help,

'Speed
 
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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Mon May 19, 2003 12:10 am

In the back of my memory, I remember an instructor telling me that flight instruction is not considered "commercial" by the FAA. I could be wrong; however, I do believe you can be paid under a third class certificate.
 
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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medic

Mon May 19, 2003 2:36 am

Yes, you can be paid when using a third class medical.

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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Mon May 19, 2003 4:07 am

hmm??? I thought the validity of a commercial certificate is void unless you have a current second class medical. I could be wrong though. I'll see if I can pry it out of the FAR's.

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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medic

Mon May 19, 2003 10:14 am

The FARs aren't real clear on this subject actually. You can certainly instruct with a 3rd class medical, there is no doubt about that. Straight reading of the FARs seems to indicate that you can't get paid for instruction without a 2nd class medical, though I've always been told otherwise. I'm going to call the local FSDO tomorrow and ask them. Sucks that they aren't there on Sundays.

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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Mon May 19, 2003 11:43 am

Well, I guess as long as everybody's favorite agency doesn't pick up the scent, anything can go. Heck, if Bonanzas can weave around Cessna's in half mile patterns and get away with it, anything is fair game.

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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medic

Tue May 20, 2003 12:42 am

Yeah, or 185s blasting around a 120 in the pattern...I almost went off on him for that, but apparently he landed about 6 times on his single full stop pass, so whatever.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Tue May 20, 2003 1:39 am

So I can go all the way to being an instructor with my 3rd class medical? That saves me a little money!
I wonder why all my instructors have 2nd class? Because to pass the Commercial chekcride you need to have at least 3rd class.
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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Tue May 20, 2003 2:54 am

"I wonder why all my instructors have 2nd class?"

Sushka,

It's company policy for your (our) school. What the chief pilot told us in the CFI Ground class is that the school wants the student to be able to get at least a second class medical, so they don't invest all that money if they have a disqualifying medical condition. Talk to Steve Smith about it if you need more info... Or just take the CFI ground class from him.

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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Tue May 20, 2003 3:59 am

Ok, I see thanks.
Im not going to be getting my CFI from there. Im going to be leaving after I get my commercial multi.
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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Tue May 20, 2003 4:10 am

We all have 2nd classes at where I work b/c we also do corporate stuff on the side occasionally.


Just think of a commercial certificate as a prerequisite of a CFI certificate, but CFIing isnt a 2nd class operation so you don't need it.
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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Tue May 20, 2003 10:46 am

If I got a second or first class medical but with a medical waiver...could I still be hired for an operation that requires that medical? Or is it like a demerit? (i.e. SODA waiver)
 
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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Tue May 20, 2003 11:07 pm

Hey Sushka,

Where are you heading to? Gonna stay in Provo?

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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Thu May 22, 2003 5:22 am

CFIs can instruct with a 3rd class medicals; it is assumed that you'd also be paid for it.
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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Thu May 22, 2003 11:38 pm

Thanks for all the help, everyone. I had assumed that CFIs could be paid without a Class II medical, but a CFI student friend of mine tried to tell me something else. I went digging in the regs, and the matter wasn't any more clear. Then I came here.

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RE: Clarification For Flight Instructors And Medicals

Fri May 23, 2003 4:38 am

I am quoting the following from the AOPA Air Safety Foundation's "Instructor Report" which I just recieved in the mail today.



At the pilot's convention, I mentioned earlier there was an urban legend floating around that you needed a 2nd class medical certificate to teach; some of the instructors there opined that you couldn't accept money for training withouit a 2nd class medical. FAR 61.23(a)(3)(iv) tells that a person must hold at least a 3rd class medical certificate when excercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate if the person is acting as the PIC or serving as a required pilot flight crewmember. A second class medical isn't mentioned, nor is it noted in the eligibility requirements for flight instructors in FAR 61.183. There is no reference to the circumstances under which you cannot accept money for flight instruction.

This myth probably emerged from a seemingly logical thought process that started with the requirement for a 2nd class medical in order to be paid as a commercial pilot or ATP. Since you cannot be a flight instructor without a commercial or ATP certificate, the reasoning goes, you can't accept money without a 2nd class medical. The logic is sound, but it just isn't true. When you instruct, you aren't being paid as a pilot; you're being paid as a teacher.

...... by Richard Hiner

Richard Hiner retired from the AOPA Air Safety Foundation as vice president of training. He can be contacted at hrhiner@comcast.net.
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