UTA_flyinghigh
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An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Thu May 22, 2003 7:11 pm

Hello all,
While I was banned  Sad, a lot of things happened on a.net forums, the most interesting (from my point of view) being a thread on this aircraft and her demise :

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Although the exact incident that led to her being parked indefinitely at NCY is unclear, there are a few things that I am sure of :
1) There definitely WAS a problem with the a/c :
the nose gear has a flat tire and 727's do NOT have enough runway length to operate out of NCY.

2) The red stuff you can see near the overwing exit doors is BLOOD :

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I have other pics which show with better detail the blood covering the oxygen masks, the second officer's panel, etc..., but of course they were rejected due to their graphic nature.

3) AF is keeping their mouth shut on the subject. An AF mechanic who does not want to be named sent me en email stating that there actually was blood in the aircraft, but was due to cults holding a "black mass" in the aircraft. Yeah right, what else next, a butcher's shop ?

Even the cockpit shows evident signs of a landing incident :

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So what really happened ?
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DL_Mech
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Thu May 22, 2003 7:39 pm

If the aircraft had gone through a decompression, wouldn't all of the oxygen masks be deployed?

This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
707CMF
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Thu May 22, 2003 7:44 pm

Well, all the masks must have been deployed, but each time I visit this airframe, there is a few more masks missing...
 
707CMF
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Fri May 23, 2003 11:09 pm

I was a bit difficult, but the shot got accepted, so you can see what the full cockpit of this aircraft looks like (with - according to UTAflyinghigh - some blood on the downright corner )


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Jj
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Sat May 24, 2003 3:06 am

Does anyone there in France have an old newspaper where something of this is named?

I mean, its rare to see a company like this keep their mouth shut after so many time elapsed.

Does anyone else know of any mistery like this?
 
fspilot747
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Sat May 24, 2003 12:59 pm

How did the pilots get her down with all that happening? Surely the pilot's must have had their ears bleeding and in agony as well. Must be a really interesting story.


FSP
 
salim
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Sun May 25, 2003 1:11 am

Is there always ears problems when a plane go through a brutal decompression?
 
liamksa
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Sun May 25, 2003 9:53 am

Hello there

Ears are generally a greater problem on descent as the air has a harder time flowing through the eustachian tube and into the ear (to equalise the pressure) than the other way around.

However in a rapid decompression I doubt the eustachian tube would vent the air quickly enough and the ear drum would burst. Any fillings in your teeth with air trapped inside would be aching, the air would be forced out of your lungs and you'd probably crap your pants. Your gut would be killing you because unlike the large intenstine (i think it's the large one) there is no quick and easy way to vent the trapped gases.

Nasty stuff

Rob.
 
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Sun May 25, 2003 11:09 am

Uta_flyinghigh

Is there any way you could post the rejcted pictures you took?
 
UTA_flyinghigh
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Mon May 26, 2003 5:45 am

...working on it - won't be this week though as I'm moving from CMF to DUB (no 707cmf you french f....., you won't have CMF a.net monopoly as I (and my G/F and my rabbit) have quite a lot of pics left that have still not been submitted  Laugh out loud)
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707CMF
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Mon May 26, 2003 6:33 am

Don't worry, other pictures on that aircraft are coming in, as I got into this aircraft a few days ago (thx to AOMlover for the tip  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

BTW, uta, vieille pute, shouldn't you be in your bed at that time ? Now you've seen there's no need to upload more pictures, you should realise it's way past your bedtime, kid !
 
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Tue May 27, 2003 1:20 am

I was busy waiting for the Sunday night butt movie to start, you vieille pute. By the way, my CDG T1 overview got 2000+ hits in a day; beat this you French w**re  Laugh out loud
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707CMF
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Tue May 27, 2003 1:27 am

Well, my CMF nightly overview did about 2500 views in one single day... and let's not speak of my tagged Concorde (do you think they will make the connection with me ?)
 
LZ-TLT
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:20 am

While I was reading various posts about the thema, something popped up to my mind, which might feel not good for all the "conspiracy theorists" and "mystery lovers" here. I wonder why all of you(who, evident by your postings) HAVE access to the inner of the plane just scream "it is blood" but fail to deliver any serious proof that the red stain indeed IS blood. Photos don't count here, your words WITHOUT proof are worthless. Since it is possible to perform such test under home conditions, so why did you all guys(at lest the ones here who claim to have been in the inner of the aircraft) don't do that, but keep telling everyone the red stain is blood? Intentional fooling? Maybe.....

So here's the deal - almost everybody with basic knowledge in chemistry might try to tell if this can be blood or not. The chemicals needed are freely(and legally) available - you can find all you need in a chemistry set(and guess what, these sets are in some countries being sold as toys for kids from 12 onwards). The testing methode is pretty simple:

-disperse some of the "suspected" blood rests in distilled water
-add some Kalium Hexacyanoferrate (formula: K4[Fe(CN)6]) solution. If necessary, shake a bit. Now, IF you observe a deep blue color, this might be blood. The intensive blue color proves the presence of Iron(Fe3+) iones in the solution, which origin might be blood haemoglobine. This reaction will show you this even if the suspected blood rests are dried out for years. Of course, it is up to you to prevent the sample you take from contaminating. Also, take care and the usual precautions when working with the chemicals - avoid skin or eye contact /contamination, do not inhale fumes, work in a good vented place. If you want, do the experiment at your own risk.

Now, you all guys have spend a lot of time hot-dogging about these "so-called" blood rests, but nobody has tried to deliver the proof, altough(as seen above) delivering the proof is as simple as it could be.

It's your credibility guys. Do not take me wrong, I like mysteries. But, having a mystery AND the possibility to bring some light on it and NOT doing it is not that fine

regards
-LZ
 
UTA_flyinghigh
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Sun Jun 01, 2003 5:49 pm

Thanks for the testing method, what would be the best way to get accurate results ?
1 - scrape some of the "blood2 off a panel
2 - take an oxygen mask back home and perform tests back there ?

707cmf still has access to the a/c, I'm now in DUB with a gas mask from F-BPJK, but will the substance be contaminated from being manipulated so much ?
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LZ-TLT
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Sun Jun 01, 2003 7:16 pm

UTA flyinghigh:

The substance might be contaminated, however, I would suggest to perform the test anyway. If the oxygen mask haven't had extensive contact with metal surfaces, it might be not contaminated in a way which could spoil the test. As long the probes are stored so that contamination is prevented, it is ok to take probes from the red spots and perform the test later at home. There are just a few things to pay attention for:

-scrap the substance off with a metal-free instrument. A plastic knife should do fine

-use distilled water to disperse the sample. Alternative, you can add the substance directly to the test solution. Tap water might do fine, but might also contain a small amount of Iron iones which might trigger the reaction.

-if a sample of the substance is to be taken from the various red spots, store each probe separately(and of course, remember, which probe is from which spot). A small plastic container(small ziplock bag for example) should be fine to store the probes
 
pmk
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Mon Jun 02, 2003 12:38 pm

Please remember that you are dealing with blood, this is a Bio Hazard, please wear gloves!

Peter
 
707CMF
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Mon Jun 02, 2003 6:29 pm

Well, acess to the aircraft is not really true. I can come in when someone opens the door, otherwise, it would be trespassing !

If such an opportunity occurs luckily again for me (I'm not that often at NCY !), I will try and get a sample of the red stains. But apparently, some of it has already being scrapped...

And I always wear gloves  Wink/being sarcastic

Antoine
 
AussiePete
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:50 am

Perhaps someone can post a link to the other thread?
 
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RE: An A.net Mystery - Part Of The Answer

Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:56 am

A check of fatal incidents for Air France shows no event related to this aircraft. The aircraft was 'parked' (?) around October 1991 and was later permanently withdrawn from service in Mar/Apr 1993.

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