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Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Fri Jul 04, 2003 5:07 am

I was at DCA last weekend watching an Embraer rj coming in on approach and he suddenly aborted when over Gravelly point. I then looked to the runway and saw a 737 sitting there on the end of the runway doing nothing. The Embraer jetted off directly SW and didn't appear to come back (Unless I missed it coming back in).
Who was probably at fault here? Was anyone fined, and how much, if so? It was really shocking to see such an obvious error. Is this common?
 
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Fri Jul 04, 2003 5:38 am

Well done precautionary go arounds are indeed "shocking."  Insane

Most likely somebody was just a little slow in doing what they needed to do. Maybe the 737 was position and hold for departure and another aircraft was not yet clear of the runway so he wasn't able to start his takeoff. I seriously doubt anyone was fined. Go arounds in your presented situation, while indeed serious, are not dramatic events or "obvious error"s. They're just what you have to do if you can't land for some reason.
 
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Fri Jul 04, 2003 6:46 am

I heard an intersting conversation on my scanner at MCI a couple of weeks ago...a Frontier jet was cleared to takeoff and a Delta jet was cleared to land. The Frontier jet sat for quite a while until the tower gave him his takeoff clearance again and mentioned the MD-88 on final. The Frontier jet still sat...the tower called again and asked if they were still ready and the pilot responded (with a chuckle) "Yeah, were still ready". The tower told him that that MD88 was getting pretty close, at which point the Frontier apparently began it's takeoff roll. Since this was on the far runways from me and I couldn't see exactly how close they were, I noticed that just as the Frontier jet appeared from behind the trees, the tower told the Delta jet to turn off at the next taxiway and the Delta pilot thanked him for the "help". Not a go around, but it was mere seconds from being one.
 
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Fri Jul 04, 2003 8:33 am

One runway and an aircraft cleared to land on it while another aircraft is still on the RWY? Not likely. Cleared for the approach, maybe?

But yeah, it does get tight at times. When the ATC expects quick action and really sqeueeze aircraft in tight and the superior judgement up front decides to pour a cup of coffee into the FMC after line-up...  Big grin

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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:01 am

As anyone who listens to a scanner in the US knows, airliners are constantly cleared to land on runways where another aircraft is in position to take off. It's probably common for airliners to take off with two aircraft on approach behind them, both of which have received landing clearance. As for three-- well, that may not be common...
 
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Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:21 am

In my opinion it would be a very bad practice to fine someone for doing a go around. Its true, go arounds are expensive for the airline, but if pilots were fined, it could lead to them being hesitant to initiate a go around when one is needed, which could cause some big smoking holes in the ground. I've only been on one missed aproach in an airliner. The flight crew stated that it was due to loss of aircraft separation. Go arounds really aren't a big deal, they happen. People who dont know much about aviation and/or have never actually flown think they are. A go around is not a bad decision, in fact its the exact opposite. If at any time you are unsure of whether a landing can be made safely you should go around. So you get a bit of ragging from guys in the hangar, its better than taking out runway lights, going through the cockpit of the aircraft in front of you, or many other possibilities.

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Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:58 am

I'm not a pilot but I always believed a go around should be executed when it's necessary and the decision to should not be reversed once it's ordered by the pilot flying. There's no reason for airlines to fine pilots even if the go around was not caused by another aircraft on the runway... etc. It can be anything like strong gusting winds, poor weather conditions. After all it's the pilots that are flying the plane!
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Fri Jul 04, 2003 10:39 am

Well, I think someone fucked-up and it's unacceptable
 
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Fri Jul 04, 2003 10:44 am

About being issued landing clearance when there's aircraft on final in front of you landing and some on the runway...

Is there different procedures in other countries? As Timz said, I've always heard "cleared to land" almost every time a plane first checks in with the tower, regardless of how many planes are going to takeoff before they touchdown.

It seems like "cleared to land" would mean that if everything were to stay exactly as it is when that clearance was issued, the plane would still land okay. This is not the case if there's traffic on the runway.

I personally have been number 8 (eight!) to land in the traffic pattern at Nashua, NH. There's something funny about hearing the tower controller say "N##, number eight, cleared to land."

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Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:08 am

I personally have been number 8 (eight!) to land in the traffic pattern at Nashua, NH. There's something funny about hearing the tower controller say "N##, number eight, cleared to land."

Indeed that would seem funny. Here in Australia that doesn't happen. You will only ever hear "N## Cleared to land" if you are number 1 for that runway and there is NO traffic on that runway at all. If you are number 2,3,4 etc. to land ATC say "N## continue approach, number 3 to land". Wouldn't the other method(US) seem confusing, i mean if ATC clears you to land who's responsibility is it to avoid the other aircraft in front of you and on the runway? Is that the US method only or is it practised in other countries too?

 
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:31 am

OK guys - let's get back to the basics here, before everyone goes on a long list of "oh, I have seen this" or "oh, I heard that on my scanner"...
xxx
Traffic right of way is this: an airplane landing has the "right of way"... if a conflict occurs, obviously there will be a go-around, but the pilot that should be fined is the airplane taking the runway for a takeoff.
xxx
Obviously, the tower clearance to taxi position and hold - or line up and wait, is often at fault, yet it is the responsibility of the captain to judge that he indeed should abide by the clearance given by the tower, in view of the approaching traffic...
xxx
Just basic flying rules... maybe the first lesson about aviation rules...
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Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:55 am

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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Fri Jul 04, 2003 3:59 pm

Thank you, Skipper, for your elucidation. I came to the conclusion that the ATC was at fault, although the 737 was just sitting there as if the captain was preparing a pre-flight martini.
 
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Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:07 pm

I have done three go-arounds in jet aircraft, one at Heathrow and two at Sydney.
The one at Heathrow was caused by a British Airways 737 that conducted a rejected takeoff, no-one to blame, it just happens.
One of the go-arounds at Sydney was caused by a competitor that was cleared for an immediate takeoff and simply did not move. A string of similar events on other flights led us to believe that it may be a bit of industrial sabotage, very poor airmanship but again, no blame.
The most recent was due to a turboprop taking to long to vacate the runway as they taxied past the first taxiway. Due to a company 737 having a lineup clearance we had to go for a scenic tour of Sydney.
It is a fine balance for ATC between optimising movements and safe operations, and generally they do a very good job. If it results in a missed approach then it is not deliberate on their part. In my cases it sometimes caused by poor airmanship, a fault that carries no blame (except in the bar!).
It always seems to happen at the end of a long day so endless go-arounds in the simulator pay off!
 
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Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:40 pm

At GA airports it's extremely common for go-arounds to take place. The airport where i used to fly out of for during PPL training is the busiest in SA and during curcuit training you would routinely hear "VH-ABC follow the Cessna on downwind, number 8 to land". With 8-9 planes doing circuits on the same runway you find yourself having to go-around pretty often as the plane in front of you may ballon out on landing or something, plus the speed of the aircraft vary considerably too- my TB10 Tobago used to catch the PA28's and 172's all the time and i would need to bring the power back to slow down  Smile
 
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Fri Jul 04, 2003 6:22 pm

In my experience lot of time we get the clearance to land when the aircraft preceding you is still on the rwy o another aircraft are rolling for the take off.
But always in good weather condition never in low vis o cig condition.
 
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Sat Jul 05, 2003 1:40 am

What would have happened if the ERJ flew over the 737 and landed? It doesn't need a long deceleration area. I would have liked to see that.
 
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Sat Jul 05, 2003 2:55 am

I heard - and saw - an interesting situation at LHR a few weeks ago. They were using runway 27L for landings, and there was an Air China A340 following a BA aircraft to land. At the same time, there was a helicopter very close to the airfield, hovering about half a mile south of the half-way point on the runway waiting to land. ATC warned the Air China pilot to expect late landing clearance due to the short distance between them and the BA flight ahead of them. Just as the A340 was crossing the A30 road, about 20 seconds from landing, ATC decided that the gap was just too tight, as the BA flight had only just touched down, making the comment 'okay this just isn't going to work!' In an extremely quick instruction, he told the helicopter to 'get out of there' and hold 2 miles south of the airport, then immediately told the A340 to go around - he had to get the helicopter to move first as the climbing A340 would have been far too close to it. What amazed me though was how they managed to co-ordinate this so well, and still seemed just as calm as ever - but I guess that's LHR ATC for you  Smile

When the Air China jet came back around about 15 minutes later he apologied to them and thanked them for their help, but they didn't seem too amused at all...!

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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Sat Jul 05, 2003 3:17 am

Weird, wild stuff... Those damned helicopters! Like bicycles being ridden on the M1.
 
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Sat Jul 05, 2003 3:25 am

ANA777...if the plane flew over the 737 then landed, thats when there would've been a shocking error that would probably result in fines being paid and licenses being pulled.
 
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Sat Jul 05, 2003 6:23 am

I have an old picture somewhere at my folks place of a 737 lined up for takeoff with another one about 20 feet above it that is coming in for landing at LBA on runway 14, the 737 that was landing still continued and landed too !!. I thought it was pretty cool at the time, and must have been normal procedure but I guess it wasn't.This was about 10-15 years ago so don't know if the rules were differant back then.

One of the airlines if I remember was Air Europa can't remember the other but it was a charter airline.

Also a few years ago I was due to fly out of MAN on Air 2000 to Corfu, but at the last minute we decided to fly on Monarch instead as it went earlier. The next day in the paper we saw that the Air 2000 flight we were due to fly on was involved in an incident at MAN when it was taking off and still on the runway, a Delta L10-11 touched down right behind it.

Never been on an a/c that has gone around yet but I'd love to do it - especially on Concorde. Saw it on an episode of Airport once when Concorde had to go around due to an Egyptair a/c rolling out for too long before vacating. Bet that was a real kick up the backside for the pax when that happened !!.

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Sat Jul 05, 2003 7:16 am

I have been spotting at DFW for 5 years now. On average I go like 3 times a month. (when I was younger I went more like 1x a week every week) But I have only seen 2 go arounds. 1 DL L1011. and Last time I was at DFW I saw an AA MD80 do a go around. Pretty cool stuff.

I have seen like 6 go arounds at EWR, the 6 times I have been there.
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Sat Jul 05, 2003 8:45 am

Got my curiousity going. It does appear to be legal in the US.  Smile From the FAA 7110.65N "bible" of ATC operations:

"3-10-6. ANTICIPATING SEPARATION
Landing clearance to succeeding aircraft in a landing sequence need not be withheld if you observe the positions of the aircraft and determine that prescribed runway separation will exist when the aircraft cross the landing threshold. Issue traffic information to the succeeding aircraft if not previously reported and appropriate traffic holding in position or departing prior to their arrival."

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Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:59 am

I have an old picture somewhere at my folks place of a 737 lined up for takeoff with another one about 20 feet above it that is coming in for landing at LBA on runway 14, the 737 that was landing still continued and landed too !!. I thought it was pretty cool at the time, and must have been normal procedure but I guess it wasn't.This was about 10-15 years ago so don't know if the rules were differant back then.

Just imagine if that 737 that was taking off had to abort takeoff for whatever reason. At that height(20 feet) a go-around would have been impossible and there would have been a major accident. The tower was obviously banking on that 737 taking off.

 
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Sun Jul 06, 2003 7:59 pm

OK guys - let's get back to the basics here, before everyone goes on a long list of "oh, I have seen this" or "oh, I heard that on my scanner"...
xxx


With all due respect skipper...while I am not a pilot, I have listened to my scanner for about 27 years. In that time, I have become very familiar with the terminology that is used between aircraft and the tower. This was the first time in 27 years that I heard the tower repeat a takeoff clearance with the warning that the approaching aircraft was gaining rapidly. I have heard a situation where the tower cleared an airliner on to the runway and immediately had him exit the runway as landing traffic was a bit closer than first thought. My guess is that the tower, recognizing that a go around costs money, and the airline industry is in such dire financial straits that he was hesitant to order the Delta pilot to go around, which, IMHO in the past he most likely would have done by the time he questioned the Frontier jet for a second time. That's just a theory, but I know what I heard. Consider it embellished if you wish.

FredT - it is not uncommon at all in the states to have an aircraft on the runway cleared for takeoff with one or more aircraft on approach that have been cleared to land. Ordinarily it's a non-issue, as the separation is still several miles.
 
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Sun Jul 06, 2003 8:31 pm

B747Skipper is correct in all aspects of his post. An aircraft is capable of going around from anypoint of its landing approach including after touching down.

One distinct problem area with being cleared into position and wait or hold is that sometimes the approach is not all that visible as in low vis ops. Which is a good reason to not accept such a clearance/instruction. I haven't seen that practice in a long time so thankfully it's probably not a current issue.

Being cleared to position to hold is for me an "alert" situation. No pilot enjoys the prospect of sitting on an aircraft threshold with his/her back facing any potential danger.

Which brings up the subject of visibility while sitting in that position. Some years ago, many regulatory authorities advised aircraft on the ground to leave their white anti-collision lights off until cleared for takeoff. Reason being, it was distracting to other aircraft and controllers alike. Never having liked that idea with my longstanding fears of vulnerability in that position, my feelings were horrifically amplified a few years ago when a USAir 737 landed on top of a Metroliner. San Diego I think but can't recall...

The 737 crew said after the fact they couldn't see the aircraft holding on the runway at night. Soon after, those same authorites recommended the use of all available anti-collision lighting while on a runway at night. Different operators interpret that in many ways.

On the other subject of landing over top of an aircraft holding, I don't think there's a civilian pilot anywhere that would agree it to be a safe practice.
 
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Mon Jul 07, 2003 3:21 pm

Yikes had some points that are suitable for discussion.

>>"An aircraft is capable of going around from anypoint of its landing approach including after touching down."

I am not sure that I would agree with that statement unless it's qualified a little more.

>>"One distinct problem area with being cleared into position and wait or hold is that sometimes the approach is not all that visible as in low vis ops. Which is a good reason to not accept such a clearance/instruction. I haven't seen that practice in a long time so thankfully it's probably not a current issue."

The ILS hold short line is also more displaced than the VMC hold short line. In IMC/IFR, you don't (typically) experience the rapid, one-after-the-other flow.

>>>"Which brings up the subject of visibility while sitting in that position. Some years ago, many regulatory authorities advised aircraft on the ground to leave their white anti-collision lights off until cleared for takeoff. Reason being, it was distracting to other aircraft and controllers alike. Never having liked that idea with my longstanding fears of vulnerability in that position, my feelings were horrifically amplified a few years ago when a USAir 737 landed on top of a Metroliner. San Diego I think but can't recall...

The 737 crew said after the fact they couldn't see the aircraft holding on the runway at night. Soon after, those same authorites recommended the use of all available anti-collision lighting while on a runway at night. Different operators interpret that in many ways."<


-The white strobes/anti-collision lights can be more than distracting...they can take away night vision. Most FOMs (that I have seen) will call for landing/anti-collision to get turned on once cleared onto the active.

-The collision that Yikes speaks of occured at LAX in 1990. At night, there was the case of a Skywest Metro departing from an intersection--one that the tower could not see. It was judged that the Skywest Metro DID have on its anti collision lights. However, tests revealed that they don't stand out appreciably in the night environment. Couple that with the fact that the LAX local controller lost her flight data strip--and was thus distracted.


 
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 4:52 pm

The collision that Yikes speaks of occured at LAX in 1990. At night, there was the case of a Skywest Metro departing from an intersection--one that the tower could not see. It was judged that the Skywest Metro DID have on its anti collision lights. However, tests revealed that they don't stand out appreciably in the night environment. Couple that with the fact that the LAX local controller lost her flight data strip--and was thus distracted.

Actually it happened in Feb of 1991. I've heard the ATC and the CVR transcripts for that accident which are available on Air Disaster.com. When you listen to it it's obvious the US Air pilots had no idea the Metro was on the runway. What made it worse was the Metro was lined up for an intersection departure about half way down the runway so the the US Air pilots caught sight of it after they had already touched down. And the 737 didn't actually land on top of the Metro it collided with it from behind.


 
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 6:40 pm

Hiya TT737FO

>>"An aircraft is capable of going around from anypoint of its landing approach including after touching down."

I am not sure that I would agree with that statement unless it's qualified a little more.


On a go-around from a Cat III approach below alert height, the altitude loss during the go around may allow the aircraft wheels to touch down. This is as stated in Boeing FCTM's. In addition, if after touching down for some reason, admittedly extremely rare and not nearly as common as a landing approach go around for ATC reasons, the Captain elects to go around, and so long as the reverse thrust sequence has not been initiated, a go around is possible.

Touch and go training circuits are a form of go around if you stop to think about it.

The ILS hold short line is also more displaced than the VMC hold short line. In IMC/IFR, you don't (typically) experience the rapid, one-after-the-other flow.

Agreed which is why I qualified that statement accordingly. However, when the visibility is greater than 1 mile, most airports are not in a "Low Vis Op". You cannot see the approach corridor especially in daytime. You are at the mercy of the tower controller sending you to position. Once there, if not cleared for immediate takeoff, and if someone was indeed inside 3 miles final...

Hence my discomfort in such a situation.

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Thanks for the correction(s) on the 737/Metro accident. I agree if in fact the Metro's strobes were on they would have been difficult to see as they are not very distinct.

But on the subject of "blinding" other pilots or ruining their night vision, I always maintained that when on an active runway, have them on. Those waiting can simply lower their eyes or divert their direct gaze. It was never an issue. The reason I mentioned it was it was Transport Canada policy ("advice") and detailed in the Canadian AIP to leave white A/C's off until "cleared for takeoff". That included while holding in position.

That policy changed after the accident in question.

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Hope that expands on my original post. Please advise!

Another good discussion.
 
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 8:29 pm

Once at LGA, they were usign Runway 13 for ladning and departure. An AirTran 717 was departing, and a Delta 767 was approaching from behind it.

I expected a go around, but no, the AirTran's nose was it he air, jsut lifting off the ground as the Dl767's gear hit the runway. Two planes on the runway at once.

If I had a camera, that would have been a very popular picture.
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Mon Jul 07, 2003 10:18 pm

A good friend of mine, a passenger on the Skywest Metro, was killed in the collision that Yikes mentioned. ATC is subject to the same mistakes that we all are subject to. I remember one time, when I was a Grand Canyon Air Tour pilot, being cleared for takeoff from runway 19 (before the built the 2nd North-South runway) at LAS. It was only my habit of verifying that the "Final" was clear on both ends of the runway before taking a runway that saved me from pulling out directly into the path of an old Army Queenair. Why check both ends? I've seen "yoyos" try and sneak straight in, against traffic flow, at uncontrolled airfields. The closest I ever came to a mid-air was a few years ago - some guy in a Cherokee did a intersection takeoff pointed right at me - we were on very short final at the time. He wasn't listening to the radios and neither heard our pattern calls nor made any of his own.

(Speaking of ATC, they certainly can have some "interesting" local procedures. 25 years ago, when I was flying the Canyon, the tower controllers - to expidite the Canyon tour aircraft morning departures - would have us line up "in position" on the runway, the fastest aircraft first. I saw as many as six or seven aircraft holding in position at one time. I forget now what the interval was that they gave us, but it wasn't much - perhaps 30 seconds or so.)

The topic of this thread is "Go-arounds--Are they common? My answer is: They're not as common as they probably ought to be. You learn in "Flying Jet Transports 101" the importance of a stabilized approach. Perhaps one of the best examples of a non-stabilized approach was that SWA B737 that ended up "parked" at a gas station instead of their gate a few years ago. That approach was anything but stabilized and merited a go around. While this is an extreme example, there can be a lot of pressure to continue an approach that really ought to abandoned. Over the years, I've been on a couple of airline flights that did go-arounds and I've had to do a few myself. Personally, I respect the pilot who will initiate a go-around.

Jetguy

[Edited 2003-07-07 15:25:36]
 
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Mon Jul 07, 2003 11:41 pm

Be aware that in the airline "training environment" - we sometimes fly approaches for full stop landings, for touch and goes or for go-around practice and... in training - we have rules and common procedures, no matter what airline, they are similar...
xxx
We never "arm" the spoilers (or speed brakes) in finals if we intend to make a touch and go (or a go-around) - and should we touch down, speed brakes (or reversers) ever deploy... that's it = full stop required, dont try to do a touch and go, could be that your reversers or spoilers dont stow... and a disaster would be next...
xxx
We could do a touch and go at any time, yes, even passenger operations, but as in the 747, the speed brakes retract when thrust levers are advanced...
xxx
In training - the practice is touch down with NO USE OF REVERSERS, and not arming the spoilers. After touch down the instructor (playing PNF) advances the thrust levers to 12 o'clock vertical position (to respool the engines), retract the flaps to 20 (in the 747) and return the trim to the green band...
We call Vr at the same speed used as incoming Vref...
xxx
And remember, RIGHT OF WAY is for LANDING AIRCRAFT... An "immediate takeoff" clearance is the responsibility of the captain... In many instances, I would decline and prefer to hold for the landing traffic...
xxx
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Tue Jul 08, 2003 12:16 am

I hope that was the last funeral you had to attend Jetguy. My last one was in 1991. I remain hopeful it will be the last loss of a friend in this business.

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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:04 am

I found this relatively obscure accident (well known in the southern Cal community) that captures the essence of everything Yikes, Jetguy, and Skipper have brought up to include:

--"Interesting" colloquial jargon and local procedures

--"Right of Way"

--Ability to safely execute a go-around.

Well worth the read!! Interested to hear your comments

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR81-12.pdf
 
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Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:15 am

Go-arounds are fairly common at airports that have flight training. I've had my fair share when trying to land and there is another plane on the runway. Sometimes I wonder if pilots even listen to towers instructions to vacate a runway.
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Tue Jul 08, 2003 10:50 am

I know it is so common.
You are not a good pilot without go-around-ready when approaching.
SO many pilots will put their hands on the thrust when approaching, and will press go-around button at once when the CAP say"GO-around"
It is so common in a busy airport like JFK, HKG, LAX, LHR.
 
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Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:32 am

Any of you guys ever see two pilots in a fist fight?
 
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Wed Jul 09, 2003 1:47 pm

I did two go-arounds, just today. One because a strong gust of wind caught my wing and nearly flipped me over. Rather than try to recover from that with only 200 feet between me and the ground, I decided to give it another go

The other was at a very small field and I had been worrying about the Bonanza that called passing midfield for a downwind as I was taking off, and then stopped responding to me and I couldn't see him. As a result, I was about 500' high on final and at a 2000' runway, that's way too high. Of course, the Bonanza thought I was iritated with him and thought he was on m ass. Not true, it was all my own fault. But rather try to salvage it and risk crashing, I opted to go around. Better alive than dead, I think...
 
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RE: Go-arounds-- Are They Common?

Wed Jul 09, 2003 1:50 pm

Why the fist fight question? I'm a pilot and I've been in a few fist fights though, not with other pilots however. We usually have a lot of respect for each other, even if we do not show it!  Big thumbs up
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