mirrodie
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Specific Queries About Going Around.

Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:25 am

When a go around is performed in an aircraft run by an airline, is there some sort of document or report that has to be made or filled out?

The reason I ask is that I know that in railroad crews, if there is some departure from normal prodecure, they have to log it.

I was in an AA MD-80 that did a go around last October. i have the fliugth info, I was wondering if it was possible to find out WHY the procedure was performed.

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RE: Specific Queries About Going Around.

Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:57 am

At the airlines where I have worked, there is/was no requirement for any report to be filed for a routine go-around or missed approach. However, if you feel that due to the circumstances involved, it would be beneficial to other crews or to report a situation where you feel there may have been safety issues that needed to be addressed, then there are various internal company reports that could be filed. If you feel that the issues were with the facility or agency involved, then a report could be filed with them, also. But again, these reports are generally not required unless a serious safety issue was involved, or the pilot-in-command was exercising his emergency authority to deviate from an assigned clearance or regulation.

By and large, the majority of go-arounds are due to traffic separation issues.
 
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RE: Specific Queries About Going Around.

Mon Jul 28, 2003 12:23 pm

Thank you very much for your detailed reply.

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RE: Specific Queries About Going Around.

Mon Jul 28, 2003 2:03 pm

Last November I had the opportunity to go up into the tower at STL. I happened to ask the controller about go arounds and he said that they were fairly common, about three a day. He also showed me a log that they write the flight info down in- although I'm not sure of all the specifics that are included in the log.

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RE: Specific Queries About Going Around.

Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:18 pm

That kind of logbook I can perceive. I would think that a logbook for the tower would aid the tower in further improving its functions, scheduling, etc.

But it seems that logbooks citing events to the aircraft /crew are unnecessary.
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RE: Specific Queries About Going Around.

Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:05 pm

I think the tower has to log them, but we don't. And as operators I don't think there is a monitoring system in place for tracking them or anything like that.

Rejected takeoffs are much more serious though and they do need to be logged and investigated to some extent. We have about 3 or 4 per year on average in Britannia (out of about 34,000 flights).
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RE: Specific Queries About Going Around.

Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:33 am

I was in an AA MD-80 that did a go around last October. i have the fliugth info, I was wondering if it was possible to find out WHY the procedure was performed.

For a normally operated flight, 3 days after the completion of that flight all computer logs are archived and very little detailed information is available to non-supervisory personnel. If there was a significant incident on a flight ALL logs are "locked out" immediately --even supervisors may not be able to see the aircraft nose number-- with only very limited specific personnel having access [protecting records for the subsequent investigations].
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RE: Specific Queries About Going Around.

Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:25 pm

The airline I work at used to require a report of a G/A but no more. The reasoning behind this is that by requiring paperwork and reporting yourself might cause someone to NOT do a go around when a G/A would be the safest thing to do. A G/A is usually a safe option and if you have to set yourself up for an internal investigation of why, then some pilots might be inclined to proceed with the landing even though the conditions would warrant a missed approach.

So in answer to your question, unless there is a good reason for a report then a G/A is a normal maneouver and need not be reported to anyone, at least by the pilots in our company.
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