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Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:00 pm

why did the lockheed constellatin have the triple tail design? not that it's bad, i just don't get it.
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:10 pm

It was a requirement for the design put on by TWA.

They wanted an aircraft that would be able to fit completely within it's existing maintance hangers.
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:54 pm

3 smaller rudders eliminate 1 big one?
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:10 pm

Indeed thay do. The Connie was originally designed with a standard tail. L-188 had the answer.
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Tue Jul 29, 2003 10:15 pm

TWA had several hangars at MKC (Kansas City), STL, PHL and LGA similar to the one shown below. A connie is shown for reference.
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Tue Jul 29, 2003 10:43 pm

I believe the some of the original TWA hangars are still standing at MKC. They're just down from Executive Beechcraft. Like L-188 said, the Connie's tail wouldn't fit in the door - the conventional geared DC-3 was the mainline aircraft back in those days.
 
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 2:20 am

1. Can get into a hangar with a shorter door.

2. Easier control with an engine out.

3. The Lockheed 10's, 12's, 14's, and Lodestars all had double vertical stabilizers. Could it be just a trade mark of the Lockheed design? For instance, deHavilland vertical stabilizers were pretty much the same proportions and shape up through the Mosquito; other manufacturers did the same.
 
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:23 pm

FYI that TWA hanger in PHL was only torn down in 1999 to make room for the new international terminal. The database has a decent pic of that TW hanger.
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:54 pm

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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:14 pm

I remember watching a documentary about Kelly Johnson and Lockheed. I seem to remember that the hangars in question were in MKC (Kansas City) not PHL. I could be wrong though. The hangars in MKC were still standing as far as I know, but it's been a year or so since I've been through there though.
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:27 am

The Douglas DC-4 started life with a triple tail as well, however only one was built, before the design was changed.
 
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Fri Aug 01, 2003 2:08 pm

411A, you are correct to a point. The DC-4E was a 3 vertical design but, besides the DC-4 designation, had little resemblance to the later C-54/DC-4.

Further discussion on that aircraft is better left to a seperate thread though.
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RE: Constellation 3 Tails, Why?

Fri Aug 01, 2003 5:10 pm

Yes, the DC-4E was an entirely different creature then the contemporary DC-4.

The only one built was sold to Japan right before the war.
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