jhooper
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FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:37 am

The FAA has decided to issue new "secure" pilot certificates:

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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:49 am

"Secure" eh? I just hope there aint some guy out there who has the name of John Q. Public. (Or John Q.)
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:51 am

One thing is for sure, and that is the current paper cut-out ones they send to new pilots definitely aren't too "secure"!

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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:23 am

heh. They're neat. I can't wait to show the new and improved ones off to girls at parties...the grey cardboard ones haven't been doing too well in that department.

On a side note, I don't think I'd want to get on John Q Public's bad side...he's kind of a big guy.
 
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:36 am

Out of curiousity, are there are a lot of 25 year old Flight Engineers out there?
 
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:51 am

Any more information? Are they just going to start sending those to the current certificate holders, or are they going to phase them in gradually when we get new certificates and ratings? And when does all this fun start?

Personally, I think the new ones look a lot better than the old ones, and hopefully they'll be a bit more durable.

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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:58 am

NormalSpeed,

Apparently they'll be gradually phased in with new certificates/ratings and as replacements for damaged or lost certificates. Also, apparently the change is immediate, everyone will now be recieving these.
 
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:43 am

Will these be paper or plastic??? I think that maybe having the holder's photo on it as well would be another improvement...but even as is right now its definitely a vast improvement...

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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 7:05 am

Mmmmhhh... 25 y/o FE? I'm one of them. Big grin

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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:56 am

My CFI who taught me my PPL lessons was a 727 F/E and he was 22 years old. John Q. has some catching up to do!

I agree, a photo on the license would be even more "secure."

Nick
 
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:49 am

I took my Private Checkride on June 23rd, do I get one of these or one of the old style?

 
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:56 am

by the time the FAA gets thier asses around to doing something... you'll get the new one.  Big thumbs up
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 12:09 pm

Screw security, I'm just stoked that it's finally plastic and not paper anymore.  Big thumbs up
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jhooper
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 12:51 pm

I like the new certificates, but on the security end, what good will it do? Unless everyone is required to have a new certificate (and they're not unless they get a new rating or lose their certificate), people can easily counterfeit the old license and it's just as "valid". To realize any benefit, they'd have to declare all the old certificates as null and void and send everyone a new license. They say it's too much of a pain to put the photos on the certificates, but I think it'd be relatively simple if they just tell all applicants to attach a passport photo to their 8710-1 form.
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:18 pm

No wonder it's taking Mr. (well, I suppose Mrs.) FAA so long this time around to issue permanent certificates...geesh.

Oh well...like others have said...having a paper cut-out certificate just don't seem to impress the ladies....
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:41 am

I've typically had to wait 3 months for FAA certificates (if they bother to send them to me at all). How long did you have to wait?
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:42 am

Great. We have a picture of Wilbur Wright's back on it; that's really secure.

Maybe driver's licenses should have a picture of Henry Ford on them instead of the person who holds the license?
 
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:35 am

Hey, i was a 22 year old FE, But on a different note are the A & P licenses gonna go the same route?
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:48 am

uh, how does that make it secure?

note to FAA - put people's pictures on it!
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:20 am

Does anyone in here know when this became effective? I had my instrument ride back in mid-June and I still haven't received my permanent certificate yet. Can anyone in here tell me whether or not if I'd have a new one? Oh yeah, JHooper: my permanent for my private only took about two months or so to come in. Thanks for any help!  Smile

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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:11 am

I think you'll get the new one; I believe it's "effective immediately". What I don't understand is that if they went to the trouble to redesign the certificate, why can't they just put a photo on it. It wouldn't be any more difficult than what the DMV goes through to put a picture on your driver's license, no more difficult than the state department putting your photo on your passport; no more difficult than the military putting your photo on your military ID, while there may be some real security benefits here. If Bank of America can put your photo on your checkcard, and my school can put a photo on my ID card, then so can the FAA.

But on the flip side of the coin, I understand that the FAA has a very tight budget, and there really are better uses for the money (such as ATC upgrades, etc)
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:03 pm

I have to agree. I don't think it would be too much of a problem to add your photo on it. All you'd need, is to bring a passport photo with you on your checkride day and it would be sent away with your temporary to the FAA HQ. It would have made cents to put a photo on your certificate if they already went through the trouble of redesigning it. Thanks for the help!

TW
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:42 am

It would have made cents to put a photo on your certificate

No, it would have cost cents, but it certainly would have made sense  Big thumbs up
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:18 pm

If anyone's wondering, I took my instrument FAA ride in May. My new license came in the mail, today, and it was a brand-spanking-new, plastic one. It even had a letter explaining the change. The first line, something aloong the lines of, "Airman Certificates have been issued on paper since 1929." The paper is a heavy-duty paper, too, for anyone wanting to save theirs to mark when the FAA finally switched from paper to plastic.

I noticed that the outter struts of the Wright Flyer on the front and all straight lines as well as Orville and Wilbur's collars, on the back, are made of microprint, like on US paper currency. However, I oculdn't make out what they said because the background all half-toned. And the border of the FAA hologram seal says, "FAA Charting the next century of aviation"
 
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Tue Aug 12, 2003 1:35 pm

Congratulations Shaun3000 for being one of the first airmen to earn the new plastic certificates. Those old school cardboard ones should be a great collector's item someday, though  Big thumbs up
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:07 pm

 Big grin WOOHOO Big grin Hopefully I'll get my new certificate in the mail soon, that would be great! It's too bad that when I took my instrument ride the lady that gave me my temporary took away my old paper certificate. Oh well.

TW
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Sat Aug 16, 2003 5:07 am

I just got one in the mail today. Pretty snazzy I must say....really should have a picture of me on it though.
 
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Sat Aug 16, 2003 5:26 am

Do the old ones look like this?



Oh, and on a side note: Is that jet on the new licence a 732? Would be sweet, a new licence with a Jurassic Baby Boeing!
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flyf15
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Sat Aug 16, 2003 5:37 am

Aloges, the previous ones did not look like that, they were computer printouts, but still on a thick paper. That is probably what was given previous to the last generation ones. And yep, its a 737-200.
 
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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Sat Aug 16, 2003 12:32 pm

Having had to replace some well worn commercial pilot certificates in my time, I am glad they are now plastic.

Here is what the back and more important side looks like. With all my ratings and limitations (none) it should look good!

Now all we need is a photo but the Government issued photo I.D. will suffice.



Nice! Which brings up a question. What do other countries certificates look like?

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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Sat Aug 16, 2003 3:12 pm

At least the plastic ones are now useful.

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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:04 am

I don't understand the Roman numerals, on either the old or new.

They're in no apparent order.

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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Mon Aug 18, 2003 2:00 pm

I believe it has to do with the way the information if filled and how the data is kept with the FAA.

I. Is the agency issuing the certificate.
II. Is the type of certificate
III. Number of certificate issued (usually a S.S. number)
IV. Persons Name
V. Persons Address
IVa.Persons Physical data
VI. Nationality
VII. Airmans Signature
VIII. Issuing Authority

Etc.

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RE: FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates

Tue Aug 19, 2003 12:38 am

Why did they convert from the one shown in reply 27 to the one's they've been issuing during the past several years? I like how all the ratings are printed on the front on those older certificates. On the one I have, all the ratings are only on the back.
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