Shawn Patrick
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Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:00 pm

This is a silly question, but interesting nonetheless.

I know there aren't keys to an airliner such as there are keys to a car.. but then what kind of locks are on airliner doors, and are there any locking devices in the cockpit, such as a lock on the engine starters?

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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:10 pm

Try using the search function, this has been asked many times
 
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Sun Aug 10, 2003 2:52 pm

doors on some only. usually no keys. piper a/c haveonly door keys. cessna singles have an ignition key. cessna jets have none whatsoever.
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:32 am

What does it mean when they say "Boeing handed over the keys to So and so."?
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:45 am

"cessna jets have none whatsoever."

Not sure about any other Cessna jets, but the Citation Bravo has a single key that fits both the left and right nose baggage door, the aft baggage door, and the main entry door.

Most airliner cockpit doors these days have to comply with the new security directives, so there are no more keys. The doors are locked electronically. There are no locking devices that I know of (other than for the door) in the cockpit, such as a lock on engine starters, etc.
 
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:12 am

What does it mean when they say "Boeing handed over the keys to So and so."?

That's an expression, not to be taken so literally. It simply means the airline has taken delivery of the aircraft.

BTW, many older Piper light twins that I've flown (such as the Twin Comanche and Geronimo don't have an ignition key. My piper cub doesn't have an ignition key, or a key for the door either for that matter. I'm actually kinda surprised that airplane theft isn't more of a problem than it is. But then again, it's a little more difficult to hide an airplane than it is to hide a car, but it certainly can be done.

As for airliners, it would be alot more complicated to steal one and then hide it without getting caught. Of course, repo people do this all the time but they have the law on their side so it's not as big a deal as outright theft. Now the cockpit doors do have keys, but there are many in circulation and the key to one door is pretty much the key to all (of a given fleet type, etc).

It appears as though minimal thought has really been given to the notion that aircraft can be stolen. Remember the 727 in Africa last month?
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Mon Aug 11, 2003 4:17 am

I think Boeing ceremonially hands over a few cockpit door/crew rest keys to the accepting official upon delivery.
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Mon Aug 11, 2003 4:35 pm

Any airliner I can think of does not have locks on the doors or controls. Most planes are kept in secure areas at all times - especially airliners. Even more so since 9/11, but as far back as I can remember there's always been security patrols around terminals and maintenance areas.

Of course if someone were to find a quiet corner of the airport with an airliner parked there you have to wonder - how will they get up to the doors, which are about 20 feet up? If they get there, are they familiar with door operation? or will they blow the slides getting it open? Once inside can they power up the plane without anyone noticing? And since it's probably parked nose-in to a parking spot, how will they push it back now that they're inside? If they get it started what about gear pins, pitot tube covers, engine covers etc that maintenance puts on planes when they overnight?

These sort of problems probably describe why there haven't been a glut of airliner thefts in the past.

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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Mon Aug 11, 2003 4:49 pm

"I think Boeing ceremonially hands over a few cockpit door/crew rest keys to the accepting official upon delivery."
That was certainly true prior to the Phase II flightdeck doors. After signing over of the aircraft the accepting airline was given a set of flight deck door keys, ready to drive her off the lot!
 
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Mon Aug 11, 2003 9:29 pm

I still have my DC-9 JATO key. Does that count?
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:07 am

Everyone forgot, the often most important set of keys at all, have to get on every flight. The keys to the bar kit...  Big grin
 
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Tue Aug 12, 2003 2:45 am

Cancidas,
Cessna Citations do not have "ignition keys", however Citations do have locks on the various external doors.
I just walked out on the ramp and confirmed that there are keyed locks on the nose baggage doors, tail baggage doors, cabin entry doors, single point refueling doors, and various electronic access panels in the tailcone.
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Tue Aug 12, 2003 2:54 am

Sometimes when Southeast Airlines brings a volleyball team or something to our university, they park the DC-9 in a completely unsecure area of the airport with the airstairs parked right up against the aircraft with not a soul around. kinda scary really.
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Tue Aug 12, 2003 3:54 am

Jhooper: Where exactly is that? When's the next flight scheduled? Big grin  Acting devilish
 
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Tue Aug 12, 2003 5:46 am

Jhooper: Where exactly is that? When's the next flight scheduled?

Question 1: I'd rather not say
Question 2: I don't know

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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:20 am

These sort of problems probably describe why there haven't been a glut of airliner thefts in the past.

And the fact that you wouldn't get very far due to the transponder.
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:27 am

And the fact that you wouldn't get very far due to the transponder.

OFF position.
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:34 am

and there are other ways around that, but I won't get into those either......  Big grin
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:13 pm

citationjet, forgot about those. sorry.
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:46 am

This question reminds me of one of the most common ramper hazings..........
 
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:02 am

I'm thinking of going to a Saab car dealer and getting a spare Saab key for my keyring. Then I will be able to tell new ramp agents at work that I have the key to a Saab 340B but I need an A-model key and they need to go find it for me.
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RE: Are There Keys To An Airliner?

Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:09 am

Acidradio, that would be pretty funny.

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