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Keeping Updated

Sat Oct 11, 2003 8:00 pm

How do Technical persons keep updated with the latest in Aviation.Study the notes on the Aircraft/Engine one works daily on & possible future Aircraft notes.
Personally After working 8-10 Normal hrs of Day or Night shifts ,I try to Study 1-2 hrs 5 days a week updating myself on the Systems I currently work on & refer notes on Aircrafts I plan to qualify on in the future.
For general Aviation updates I read Aviation Magazines & surf the net.

The reason I ask this question is understandably Our type of Job leave us very little free time & whatever little free time exists I want to make the most of it.Any suggestions/Tips.

Contarary to this most friends in other fields dont need to work & study as much,so they have more free time on hand.I chose this field cause I Enjoy the Job and they pay me for it,I knew it would involve a lot of reading.No complains there,Just want to know how you all cope up with the same.

Replies Especially from persons working in Maintenance in Airlines would be appreciated.But suggestions from all are welcome.
This may not be a technical question but its a Question related to Technical persons.
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RE: Keeping Updated

Sun Oct 12, 2003 1:23 am

I will comment since no one seems to really reply to questions that aren't of technical nature.

You have to have a balance.
I do admire your dedication, but I will say this:
The dedication factor is much higher overseas than it is on this side. There simply is no insentive to "knowing it all" other than your own personal satisfaction. The guy that knows his sh*t gets paid the same as the loser who has been there for 20 years and can't tell you anything about an airplane. So you start to ask yourself, what's the point.

So some people (understandibly) get to the point where there is no need to know more, or do more. Like I said, other than your own personal satisfaction. You have to have some strong personal convictions to read 1-2 hrs 5 days a week. Either that, or your job depends on it....and it simply doesn't here.

At least that is how it is at the majors.

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RE: Keeping Updated

Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:24 am

For the revert.
I can understand your explanation that guys that work or dont get paid the same.But what about responsibility,when one Signs for a job.
Don't the Senior Managers notice.What about being honest at your job.
Here I work cause I enjoy the Field & for the money it pays.One has to work to live & look after the Family.
I consider study time of 1-2 hrs 5 days a week less compared to most others in the field.
Since I cannot ask the rest.Maybe you seem to have a vast experience in terms of Knowledge & Time in this field.
Would appreciate you giving an example of your days.How do you keep updated.
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RE: Keeping Updated

Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:06 am

LMP and I work for the same company.
He pretty well summed it up as it generally applies.
In theory the mechanic or technician is required to obtain the requisite knowledge and skill prior to doing a job. If that job hasn't been done by a tech before then training is in order. This may be OJT, Classroom, or self teaching through a book or instructions from a third party. It all depends on the situation and the urgency of the moment.
At our company, before a tech may legally work unsupervised on an aircraft, he or she must have the basic gen fam from an instructor who has had the training that can be traced to the manufacturer and has demonstrated a requisite knowledge level and competence in the subject matter. Some instsructors are better than others.
In the case of the 737NG, our company hasn't operated CFM powered 737's before so everyone is going through a learning curve. The NG's are actually a new design so the learning curve is spread to include the fine folks at Alteon/Boeing. The plane is doing some things the engineers didn't expect and isn't doing others they did expect. Class sessions in Renton frequently turn into discussions where the Alteon folks learn as much as the Instructors sent there to learn.
How do we stay on top???
Information exchange, classroom study, book reading, OJT and skinned knuckles.
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RE: Keeping Updated

Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:53 am

Well put Cdfx. Sometimes it's hard to keep from throwing in the towel and just go to doing the bare minimum. You figure "Why should I make the extra effort when Joe over there does nothing, knows nothing yet is paid the same and I'll get laid off before he does." For me the answer is simple, I'm the one who has to look myself in the mirror every morning. Nothing would scare me more that thirty years from now coming to the realization that I've wasted a good portion of my life. And that's what all those lazy #%&@* are doing, wasting their life. Hope I don't sound cliche or angry at the world.


Speaking of 737NG have you seen the bulletin regarding engine control lights coming on upon landing? Evidently CFMI wants data from the airlines in order to trace the problem. Had a plane with this last week. It was a nuisance fault since we could not find anything wrong. Probably a software glitch.
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RE: Keeping Updated

Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:19 am

Well said yourself.
The only reason I said what I said was because of Hawks statement "Contrary to this (Aircraft MX) most friends in other fields dont need to work & study as much".

The following is a strange thing to say, but it is not necessary to be great in this field (unfortunately). It doesn't even seem required to be good. I'm speaking of the profession as a whole. But I guess you just have to worry about yourself.

That said, I never really answered the original question which was how do you stay updated.
Two methods: First are the ways Avionker mentioned (Information exchange, classroom study, book reading, OJT and skinned knuckles.) I think reading is very important, because you have to know how a system works to effectively T/S it. But it doesn't help unless you are actually exposed to the systems.

And believe it or not, this forum (and some others). Besides the questions that always seem to be swirling in my own head, the questions that are asked in this forum are almost the same as being presented with a problem. Makes you think. the more you use the mind, the sharper it stays.

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