airtahitinui
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Is Ground School Necessary?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:50 am

Do I really need ground school? If I go through teh Jepp book for private pilot and pass my exam, why bother with classes that just review what's in the book? Is class for those too lazy to read?
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flightsimfreak
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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:55 am

It really depends on how you learn. If you are the type of person who can learn on your own, there is no regulatory requirement for you to have ground school. You can learn through books or through your flight instructor with meetings before each lesson.

Again, it all depends on the person. I personally can do either, but I prefer a ground school classroom environment. Whichever you choose, good luck in your endeavor
 
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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:59 am

The Jepp book doesn't cover everything. In fact it really only covers the 'black and white' areas. You will learn that there is tons of stuff in this industry that is out for debate and that text will never teach you. If your ground school instructor is good he/she will share real life applications and help you to better understand that life isn't always in ISA conditions when it comes to aviation.
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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:00 pm

I haven't really learned much practical information in my groundschool for the instrument rating yet. But it's required by the FAA as part 141...hopefully the learning curve picks up in the second half of the semester, because otherwise, I will have taught the entire instrument rating to myself.

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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:06 pm

Pilotpip nad airtahitinui: There are other great ground school resources out there besides the jepps books. I personally would recomend the King Schools video or Sporty's video. If you like books, go with the Gleim publications.

I do agree that you learn a lot of practical knowlege from the classroom, but it is also possible to pick this up from your flight instructor.
 
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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:43 pm

As is normally the case, these guys have given you some good advice. Each of us have our favorite way of learning complex material. Is a ground school necessary? No, there are other ways to learn the material and that's the bottom line. However, be sure you learn the material and not just learn the test - there's a big difference. I've seen a lot of people who "learn the test" by repeatedly taking sample tests, using the actual FAA test questions, and learning to recognize the test questions and their associated answers. The problem is that although they can usually get pretty descent scores on the test, they never really learn the material. Fortunately, by the time most of these guys get through flight training they've usually picked up enough practical knowledge to squeak by. (Hence the need for a formal groundschool for Part 141 programs - they want to make sure that you really know your stuff and not just able to recognize a test question and its associated answer.)

What would I recommend? Tapes, formal ground schools, or a program of self study (ie Jeppesen courses, etc.) all have their advantages and disadvantages. Pick your poison and go for it.

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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:05 pm

I would say that Ground School is important and somehow indispensable. You and your study habits set the difference here.

There are many topics in the more advanced courses following the plain private course that needs to be covered in detail with the professional guidance of a Ground/Flight Instructor. Think of the ground school as another source of knowledge; a good instructor will give insights, personal experiences and a complete panorama that the sole books will hardly be able to give you.

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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:04 pm

Ground school may be boring, and at the time you may think it is useless, but it is very valuable. You don't just simply want to pass the exams and go flying. You want to train yourself to be a good pilot. Flying is not something for people who cut corners, unless you want to end up dead. No matter how boring, you will learn something, and you just never know when you will need to fall back on that knowledge base. Don't cut corners.
 
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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:43 am

I have to echo the comments about ground school being a positive thing.

Not only will your instructor give you valuable insights and personal stories to help you along your way, having the class there with you is also invaluable. The atmosphere is great for guided discussion (AHHHHH!!! FOI is coming back to me  Nuts) as your classmates could raise good points and ask great questions that you might have been thinking about, but not actually asked. Or they could ask questions on material that you are "fuzzy" on. The whole class will learn together and will learn more as a whole. At least for me, it tends to keep my mind focused on flying; when I'm studying by myself I'm pretty easily distracted.

It's an extremely good idea to take a ground class no matter what stage of training you're in. If you fly for a big operation one day, you'll probably have some classes like that anyway--best to get used to them now  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.
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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:26 am

I think there are many good methods for learning, but my favorite is probably the formal ground school. That's the type of environment that I really perform well in.

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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:37 am

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RE: Is Ground School Necessary?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:32 am

There are 2 types of courses, essentially...
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Courses that prepare you (just stritcly) to answer and pass written exams, for licensing... In the USA, the FAA publishes their actual questions, these courses merely teach you to recognize the "correct" answer...
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Honest - and I agree with some of you here, no formal school is really needed to learn to answer questions and pass these tests... i.e. PPL, CPL...
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But when it comes to formal learning the "science" of aviation, I would suggest that a combination of all forms of acquiring knowledge are valid, consisting of formal classroom lectures, reading materials, viewing audio-visual courses, and maybe get interactive knowledge from various instructors, and individual briefings and/or tutoring... other trainees in the class may also, by their own questions to instructors, cover relevant subjects others than these "frequently asked questions" which are common...
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Last year, I completed a 737 type rating course (although I never fly these), just because I sometimes lecture various subjects in classrooms with 737 crewmembers, at least, I am not a complete idiot when something is specific to these airplanes... If I have the time, next year, I might do the same for the MD-80 airplane... And believe me, I am a good student, do not sleep in the classroom, and I inform myself to a maximum...
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Besides, those of you in USA, enrolled in FAR 141 training programs, you have to complete a certain amount of programmed classroom training. Clearly, there are "good" and "not so good" training programs... that is the reason you should also select various sources of aeronautical knowledge, even though you are enrolled in a formal program...
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