macmac76
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Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:18 pm

For those airlines with both the A330 and A340 in their fleet, e.g. SAS, Philippine, Cathay...are they pilots qualified on both planes considering that virtually both flight decks are identical except for the throttles? thanks to any replies!
 
Rick767
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RE: Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:22 pm

There are more differences than just the throttles, I believe the CCQ course for A330 pilots to get A340 endorsement is about a week long. Bit shorter doing it the other way (340 > 330, just 3 days or so).

Some airlines have A330 / A340 (combined) pilots whilst others have a group of pilots for each aircraft type.
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RE: Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:57 pm

On a flight with Air Canada (pre 11 September) I asked for a flight deck visit which was allowed. We were on an A340 which was great and I mentioned to the captain about the A330 entering service (the inaugeral flight was on the following day on the same route I was flying) He mentioned that he had been the delivery pilot for one of the A330's that were being prepared for passenger service. I guess this proves that some airlines allow cross qualification on similar types - several did this on th 757 & 767 fleets i think
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gigneil
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RE: Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:14 am

The 757 and 767 are the same type rating here in the US.

I believe the A330 and A340 are the same type rating as well, aren't they?

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macmac76
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RE: Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:23 am

for the 757 and 767, I can understand since they're both twins and identical cockpits...but since the 330 is a twin, and the 340 is a 4-engine plane, I would think it would be different...need more replies!
 
Rick767
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RE: Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:50 am

You're absolutely right, it's not the same as the 757/767 at all. Those aircraft share a type rating wheras the A320 does not share one with the A330 (due in part to the massive difference in weight between the aircraft). Similarly the A330 and A340 cannot share a rating due to the different number of engines.

The words you are looking for here are "Cross Crew Qualification" which also makes sense read as "Crew Cross Qualification"!

These regulations allow a pilot to fly two similar aircraft with a different type rating, like A320 pilots who also fly A330s and A330 pilots who also fly A340s.

It is entirely possible under these rules for all pilots to fly all types in the (modern) Airbus fleet, from the A320 family right up to the A340-600.

Provided the pilot has completed a differences course for the appropriate type, CCQ is then done. There are currency regulations (flying each type every so often to stay current) which is not the case with the 757/767.

Companies who excercise these benefits are utilising "Mixed Fleet Flying" (MFF) which has large training cost savings compared with flying different types.

In the UK for example Monarch, Thomas Cook and MyTravel use MFF, with A320/321 pilots also qualified to fly the A332.
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RE: Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:06 am

The A330 and A340 are different type ratings, at least they are under JAR regulations.

A330-200 and A330-300 are under a common type rating and pilots are qualified to fly both, the A340-200/300/500/600 are also under a common type rating but pilots who are qualified to fly the 200/300 aircraft need a differences course to fly the 500/600, probably due to the changes to the Flight Control laws, FMS and Fuel systems I would imagine. Same for pilots going from 500/600 to 200/300.

Airbus claim that pilots can be trained from A320 to A330 in 8 working days, from A330 to A340 in 3 working days, and from A340 to A330 in just one day - I haven't the foggiest idea how realistic that is though, any pilots/trainers care to comment?

Also, although the A330/A340 cockpits LOOK the same, the systems appear to be quite a bit different (to me anyway) - I know there are a couple of ex Sabena A330/A340 pilots who post in this forum occasionally, maybe they could give us a quick rundown of the major differences between the two aircraft, apart form the obvious that is.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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707CMF
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RE: Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:33 am

At AF, pilots are qualified on both A330/340 (although they usually say they are A340 pilots)

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RE: Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Sun Oct 26, 2003 1:30 pm

it would make sense to cross-qualify the crews on both types.
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RE: Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:10 pm

When I visited the flightdeck of SAS 333, two of the pilots told me that they were intructors also. The pilots in SAS fly EITHER 333 or 343, but they will start to CCQ on a later stage. I'm not sure if that involves the 321 too, but I don't think so.
 
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RE: Do A330 Pilots Fly The A340?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:18 am

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