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Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:43 am

Today I was wondering what is (would be) your worse case scenario concearning emergencies or abnormal ops. What emergency would really raise your hair and make your shirts wet? Have you ever met her or only during simulator checks?

Rgds

Renato
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:24 am

Running out of airspeed, altitude, ideas and money in the same day.....or just not being able to fly at all!
Kidding  Laugh out loud

Seriously, Im only a Cessna pilot so far so probably an engine failure and an electrical failure/fire in flight. Then all I can do is glide and have nobody to talk to!

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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:04 am

I typically fly light singles. By far the situtation that would haunt my dreams the most would be an inflight engine fire and subsequent failure, in IFR, at night, over the mountains. But, luckily, I have enough common sense to not get myself into that kind of situation...

For the kind of flying I normally do (day VFR over the great plains), I'd say the worst situation that could happen would some kind of structural failure....I fly rental airplanes and you never know for sure that the person before you didn't exceed any airspeed or loading limitations. Hopefully there would be some sign of it...popped rivets, things bent that aren't supposed to be, etc.

Aside from that, I sure hope I never get an in-flight fire.
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:07 am

Getting a serious cargo fire during a dark stormy night across the ocean on an ETOPS sector and facing the prospect of having to ditch.

(I know ETOPS is irrelevant, but for me to be in the middle of the ocean it has to be ETOPS)
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:42 am

Sounds like the plot of a movie Cx flyboy!

Other than something with strong external factors such as a mid-air, I'd say:
Electrical Fire. This would be especially critical night/IMC because you face the prospect of recovering the aircraft with diminished capabilities assuming you are even able to troubleshoot/isolate the source of the fire. And with the sophistication of our modern aircraft, the electrical components and wiring seems like an achilles heel.


PW4084
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:19 am

I fly Cessna 172's right now, and my biggest fear would be unexpected and severe icing while in flight. Also, a hydraulic brake failure on landing. I learned to fly on a runway that is 2,500 feet long, with a busy road at one end and buildings on the other. Now I fly at a much larger (KYIP) airport, so its not that big of a deal.
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:08 pm

Only a C172 pilot right now, but....

IMC conditions and a spin. I have done it on a simulator, and its not fun.
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:13 pm

Fuselage separation would have to be one of them (think Aloha 737, Hawaii), but really, anything that means ditching in the middle of nowhere. I guess you could also add bomb explosion and any sort of terrorist activity to that list.

Or how about a big large bird making impact with my side of the windscreen at 250kts. Gives both you and the bird a heck of a scare and can do some serious damage...!

Cheers,
Phil

[Edited 2003-11-06 04:17:46]
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:50 pm

Never have nightmares with a good old 747... the whale "can take it"...
xxx
Except one thing...
Having 12 female flight attendants (including all those considered females) with PMS.
How can these oil sheiks with 3 wives and 6 concubines take it... ???
Let me check my wife's calendar... !!!
xxx
Happy contrails  Big grin
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:58 pm

I agree with PW4084, an electrical fire is my worst enemy. I had an Engineer instructor once tell me; there are only 4 things in an airplane that will kill you BEFORE you know what's wrong, 1) Solid objects in front of the nose, 2) Explosive decompression 3) External structure fire, IE Wing fire, NOT engine fire, and 4) electrical fire in the cabin. Of the four checklist, "Electrical Fire of Unknown Origin" is definitely the worst to run, and when you ad Kapton flashover and FADEC / FMS / EHSI / EADI's to the picture, those free electrons really turn into a problem. The Electrics sim is usually our longest and most in depth sim because of this.

Keep the paint side up and rubber side down!!
ChD
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:43 pm

Well Katanas have had the props fall off in flight before.
My worst fear in a Katana is to have the prop fall off and pull the engine out too. That way my CG would be all wack and I couldnt even glide.
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:49 pm

No coffee at the flight club.
.
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:58 pm

For me, it would be either one or both (Gasp!): A total electrical failure in the weather at night or any type of inflight fire.

Skipper...
What a horrorific nightmare. I have a wife and three daughters. There were a few days each month when I begged our dispatcher to send me out of town on a trip. Blessed be the guy who invented Midol.  Innocent

Actually though, even B747 drivers have to worry about something.

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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:31 pm

Geez
I thought something along the lines of an ex-wife showing up to do a Checkride.
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:50 pm

Right now I only fly Archer's and 172's so I would have to say engine fire. Or if the wings fall off...  Sad
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:05 pm

Fire. Or structural failure. I've already had the electrical failure not IN IMC per-say, but it was solid undercast and fog from 1500' to the surface for 200 miles all around me. If we couldn't get the alternator reset (it did, and blew 3 more times en-route) it would have been handheld radio and GPS time.

Second biggest, next to fire in flight, was when I was flying our "modified" Cub that soloed from the front. 12 gal of avgas sitting on my lap between me an the engine was not a good feeling.
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:45 pm

"Except one thing...
Having 12 female flight attendants (including all those considered females) with PMS."

Said Skipper which made me remember while I was flying wet lease for Khalifa Airlines of Algeria,we had 2 day layovers in desert cities.In one of those flights when we came to the dispatch office we saw that we had 5 male attendants and a technician to take pictures of engine parameters during take off.So we spend 2 days in a crappy hotel in the middle of Sahara desert with a all male crew.Now that was a real nightmare.
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:09 pm

Now speaking seriously, yes, in-flight fire is probably the worst nightmare.
Think about the Saudi L-1011 tragedy at the old Riyhad airport...
xxx
I once had a cabin fire warning, with a cargo aircraft...
We were carying leather shoes made in Madras, India.
It had rained, the shoes were somewhat wet.
xxx
During flight, on the way to Milano, cabin fire warning...
There was some smoke... but no flames... smelled bad.
We made an emergency landing in Larnaca, Cyprus.
It was "spontaneous combustion" phenomenon.
xxx
Footnote... These shoes made in India, get to Milano...
No markings say "made in India" on them... yet excellent shoes.
In Milano, they put insoles with the print "made in Italy"...
Now you know where your expensive Italian $hoe$ come from.
xxx
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:33 pm

Absolutely without a doubt... cabin / cargo fire at 30W...

I can deal with engine failure at 30W, or at V1... flapless landing... you name it. But a fire over the ocean, 2 hours from anywhere? That thought sends shivers down my spine.
I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:21 pm

First, the serious one :

I'm just a light single pilot, so for the moment my worst nightmare would be an engine out at take-off under 800 ft AGL.

Now, the unserious one :

The best dream of any commercial pilot is to have a full crew of female F/A, each one of those finding him cute.

The worst dream of any commercial pilot is to have a full crew of male F/A, each one of those finding him cute.

707
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:55 pm

Absolutely without a doubt... cabin / cargo fire at 30W...

I can deal with engine failure at 30W, or at V1... flapless landing... you name it. But a fire over the ocean, 2 hours from anywhere? That thought sends shivers down my spine.


Well put it this way Rick - even if you survive, the powers that be at EZY might not be overly impressed that you took the 737 out to 30W for a quick spin....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards,
Gordon.
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:58 pm

My biggest fear is actually somewhat different.Yes I don't want to have a serious in flight fire or any other serious mulfunctions but most of them can be dealt with(or supposed to).There is something nowadays which is I think the most serious threat against the passenger airplanes is:TERRORISM.
Either from inside(like bombs or hijackers)or from outside with SAM's.There are examples to both kinds .At least in an emergency you can fight to the last second to save the plane until the last piece stops flying.It would be worst nightmare to explode at FL 370 fall back to earth in pieces.I remember watching on Discovery channel about a terror attack to a passenger plane( Pan-Am over Lockerbie if I remember correctly)airplanes front section kept flying for some more time while the aft plunged into the earth.I just can't imagine sitting there trying to fly your airplane with no response from your flight controls.
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:08 pm

"the powers that be at EZY might not be overly impressed that you took the 737 out to 30W for a quick spin...."

A very valid point Gordon!

Maybe I'll head out to 30W on the way to MAD this afternoon! Passengers might not be too impressed... and the CAA probably wouldn't be too chuffed!
I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:49 pm

The worst thing that I can think of in the little planes I fly is structural failure. 3 of the 5 aerobatic planes I flew a few weeks ago (Avions Mudry Cap-10B) are currently grounded because cracks were found in the wooden spars. I'm not so sure that these aircraft were originally designed to a) takeoff and land on a hard surface runway in up to 10 kt crosswinds which put a large side-load on the landing gear b) pull 10Gs "accidentally" in the aerobatics practice box and be "inspected" by the maintenance people who probably figure if their lunchbox can sit on the wing while they're on break and nothing happens, everything's okay. Maybe the next time I have to fly one of the Crap-10s we'll just do some touch and gos!

Nick
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:19 am

GoBoeing,

I have also flown a CAP10, and one of the two we had at our school developed cracks. Eventually they replaced the wing at huge cost, rerigged everything and it flew great.
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:38 am

Cxflyboy,

The one newer Cap that has metal spars is flying. I'm not sure about the one that's flying with wooden spars; maybe they didn't find any cracks. But there's an airworthiness directive for them right now, and so I'm pretty sure they're grounded until they're fixed to meet the requirements of the AD.

Nick
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 07, 2003 7:26 am

I'd have to say my worst fear would be instructing in the 172 and realizing that the Taco Bell I had for lunch wants out!

Talk about a case of.........THE SQUIRTS!!
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 07, 2003 2:43 pm

Loss of flight controls.
Indianapolis, IN
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:49 pm

Someone catching me while doing an MHC-Ops maneuver.

Scary.. for them aswell as me.
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:16 pm

No ones mentioned the dreaded microburst. Can you imagine being caught up in that?
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:24 pm

@PW4084

Sounds like the plot of a movie Cx flyboy!

Actually I'm trying to launch myself on the script writing business and was out of ideas Big grin

@Skipper..

God almighty... your first nightmare was really a heavy one mate.

And all in all I have to agree that cabin/cargo hold fire would be really a mess to say the least. I wonder, cockpit filled with smoke, would depressurize and open the windows (just an inch or less) be an option?

Thanks for the excellent answers so far.

Cheers

Renato

Ohh, Rick, are you with EZY now? I thought you were with BY.
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Sat Nov 08, 2003 5:53 am

Flying on a 30 year old Cessna402 with 3rd world maintenance standard is partly a nightmare in itself... My ultimate nightmare is a mid-air prop disintegration... since the right engine keeps repeating RPM readings failure, and it needs balancing often... This plane's concern list:
Potential engine mounting corrosion... nightmare
Loose fuel caps... a nightmare that became true !
Plus a long list of unexplained vibrations...

:D

Mandala499
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:26 am

Mandala499...
I'll ask the obvious question - why do you ride on such a poorly maintained airplane?
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Sat Nov 08, 2003 11:14 am

Mandala499

How are you it's been sometime! I've always wanted to ask what Jetguy had just asked too... not quite safe to fly on those airplanes isn't it!
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:16 pm

I've had a few days to think about it. Actually my worst fear would be a TAILSTRIKE ! ! !  Wow!

(Just kidding)
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Sat Nov 08, 2003 1:05 pm

Ward....  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:47 pm

In smaller planes I work on:

(i.e. warriors, archers etc.)

Something being caught on one of the control cables..

cockpit? it's that little room in the front of the plane where the pilots seat.. but that's not important now
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Sun Nov 09, 2003 2:24 am

Footnote... These shoes made in India, get to Milano...
No markings say "made in India" on them... yet excellent shoes.
In Milano, they put insoles with the print "made in Italy"...
Now you know where your expensive Italian $hoe$ come from.


If I well understand, B747skipper, one pair of shoes will allow people to eat eiher masala dosai or spagetti, depending on their culture.

Regards. Kilavoud.


 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:41 am

Jetguys&Mr.BA...

There's one simple answer... "Welcome to Indonesia"
The well maintained ones cost the same as a 732 on an ACMI lease per hour! This country's crazy!

To make it more crazy, we've used it for 250hrs so far this year, before this, their average annual utility was <150hrs. We've doubled that for them.

Unfortunately, they were the only guys that would allow us to add an extra hole on the top for one extra antennae... most survey aircraft have 2 small additional survey antennaes on the top, we needed 3!

Not only that, they were the only ones that had the timeslot for us... Want to see the plane, search for PK-VCD on the "other photo website"... (note, this is NOT an endorsement  Big grin )

This one is about US$600 per hour, a well maintained one would cost us 1200... a 732 I can grab for 1400 + fuel... go and figure... What makes these G/A planes expensive is that their utility is so low that their maintenance goes by calendar days AND hours... >200hrs per annum = hours...

If you think this PK-VCD was bad, you should have seen PK-AGE/BA), France">AGF that we were going to use... the operators backed out at the last minute because he couldn't revalidate the CoAs in time... since then, one of them flew, used the whole 2900m of Halim's runway, to do circuits... just as they entered downwind, the left engine blew and the propeller almost flew off... limped back and never flew... the other one is now flying.

I have to carry an air force personell for survey missions. Have had 8 air force guys accompany our missions, all of us say they wouldn't touch PK-AGE/F with a barge pole. So, it was the best deal out of the worst lot we could get.

VCD maybe a sh1thole... but it's still flying, the vibrations have been sorted I heard (haven't flown it for a while now, not my turn for a while)... prop was sorted and still handles nicely... Had the pleasure to fly it with my hands for 90 mins down to finals before we commenced our project 6 months ago... Big grin

Anyone wanna sell me a nice plane for survey? Big grin

Mandala499
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:48 pm

My flight school has a training area that's littered with everything from students working on their private maneuvers to twins blasting around. My biggest fear is doing a Vmc demonstration, slow flight, stall, etc, and WHAM. There goes the back half leaving me to fall 5000 feet to the earth.

Second, being told to land ASAP because of a National Emergency. AGAIN. I was flying on 9/11 when ATC cleared the skies. Scarier than death.
DMI
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:28 pm

Selamat malam Mandala499,

Apa kabar? Saya belajar sedikit bahasa Indonesia di sekolah. Saya harap menjadi penerbangan pada masa depan.

That's about all I remember at the moment  Big thumbs up - the standard couple of sentences!!

Take care, Rob.
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:05 am

Rob...
Not a bad try ! Keep the lingo and the dream up Big grin

Mandala499
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RE: If An Airline Was A Woman

Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:20 pm

Hmm...pretty much as was said before, midair, any kind of fire. I still only fly warriors, but also at a busy flight school, so there are always planes all over the place. One in flight "emergency" I've had happen a few times is that I drank too much water before flying. One of the times I was doing a flight that had to be at least 250 nm long, or I had to do it again. Luckilly I had a powerade bottle. That's the worst part about flying small aircraft...when you gotta go, you better hope you have a bottle along, cause you can't exactly just pull over to the side of the road.
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:18 am

What's worse is doing that 250nm cross country and getting about half way and realizing that that big lunch you had wasn't the best idea. No powerade bottle will help you there.  Big grin
DMI
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:10 am

Either flying the small metal or the big ones... fire and structural failure are my main concerns.

RM  Smile
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 14, 2003 11:46 am

Spas your idea is already taken. Remember the movie "Cast Away"? That's exactly what Cx_flyboy is afraid of.
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:48 pm

In all seriousness, that crash scene in "Castaway" made me physically ill. It looked a little too realistic for my tastes.
DMI
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:08 pm

Not I pilot but I can take a guess.....


Getting a call from me at 2 in the morning, to tell you that you have to fly to Adak, Alaska........and wheels up is in 1 hour.
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:49 pm

L-188, here's the icing on yr 'Adak run' cake:

You show up and look at the weather and then know you'll be flying the localizer with a 30 knot tailwind and circling.

PW4084
 
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RE: Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare

Fri Nov 14, 2003 9:58 pm

And add this phrase to it too.

"You are meeting the Coasties."
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