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Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sat Nov 29, 2003 5:33 pm

My question is this why don't certain airlines fly to certain airports Like for instance Southwest to ATL. THey have about 40 flights a day to Nashville and none to ATL.

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RE: Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sat Nov 29, 2003 7:20 pm

Well, ATL is a DL megahub... Outside the banks of flights that come in, delays won't be likely... However, if your flight comes in during the waves of DL landings and goes out when each delta jet in ATL feel like they'll get fired from the job if they don't fly within the next 10 mins ( Big grin ) then you could be number 30 in sequence! That means... delays delays delays...

Why take the risk if you're an airline than relies on 40 mins turnaround and jeopardize your working network? With the cheaper fares and lack of delays, WN prefers its pax to drive to an alternative airport where they won't be pax number 231,456 in a sea of 374,394 passengers clamoring to go to their gates!

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RE: Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sat Nov 29, 2003 7:21 pm

Well, for example, Southwest doesn't fly into Boston, and instead flies to Manchester, NH and Providence, RI due to the higher fees associated with flying into Boston.
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RE: Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:04 pm

I would like to know why some airlines for exmape fly to Charelles De Gaulle (sp?) instead of Orly? Like SAA for an exmaple

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RE: Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sun Nov 30, 2003 12:55 am

Many discount airlines use secondary airports. This not only controls costs, but these secondary airports are much easier to receive schedule authorization for prime travel times.

They are also much much easier to operate out of. There is a huge fuel savings (among other things) to be realized when you can cut your typical taxi time from the gate to the runway in the less busy airports.

Air travel in the major hubs is such a burden these days. You can eat up a great deal of time because of the complexity associated with all those flight concentrated in a small area.

 
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RE: Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sun Nov 30, 2003 5:54 am

Some airports, like Paris-Orly, New York-LaGuardia, and Washington National are slot controlled, and your airline must have slots for the airport in order to fly flights out of there. Take for example DCA; everytime any slots come open, everybody who either wants to start DCA service or wants to add additional flights try to get them. The FAA allots those slots to whoever they think deserves them (usually goes to an airline that will add service to a new city from DCA, or will open up competition on a route). LGA slots have been allotted by the government and by lottery.

Another reason why airlines don't fly into certain airports is gate space. If your airline wants to fly into an airport at certain times of the day and there are no available gates for that time, you can't fly into there. ATL is one airport that is practically maxed out gate-wise at certain times of the day even with the shared gates on Concourse D; so unless you can get another airline to handle your flights (like Hooters Air does @ ATL with DL handling their flights and the flights are going out of Concourse B), you're S.O.L.
 
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RE: Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:46 am

There's also the issue of just not bothering competing with someone's mega-hub. Other than a token flight here or there to provide connectivity to the rest of your network, some airlines don't bother infringing too much on other people's territory. For example, you don't see much of anything but United (and Frontier) at Denver. The reason for that is that anyone who wants to go to Denver can likely catch a UAL flight from anywhere.
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RE: Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:53 am

It's pure competitive economics.
AA, for example, has relatively large representative presence at both PHX and LAX but you can't get an AA flight between the two unless you go to DFW or ORD on the way.
The reason given is that HP and WN ate their lunch on the LAX-PHX route so AA dropped out.
The management philosophy of the big three seems to be "if you can't win don't compete".
Southwest and AirTran simply are getting rich picking up the pieces. Their egos don't need to dominate a hub. (I would have mentioned JetBlue but they are about to find out about secondary (maintenance) expenses when you fly Airbus and their stock is starting to take a beating.)
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RE: Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:56 am

"THey have about 40 flights a day to Nashville and none to ATL. "

Also, that is because BNA is a mini-hub for Southwest.
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RE: Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sun Dec 07, 2003 6:36 am

well, while we're on the subject, I can't fathom why American Airlines doesn't fly to Manchester, New Hampshire. Their 'claim' (I guess) is that serving Manchester would cannibalize Logan business. If that theory held any water (and it doesn't) then United, Delta, Northwest, and USAirways either (A) wouldn't have started service at MHT or (B) would have pulled out once they did. In point of fact, all four airlines are doing well at MHT. So what's up with AA? To be fair, it really is not much of a big deal now that AA is in such disarray and a 'weak sister' to the belle of the ball, Southwest (which is at MHT and doing phenomenally). Still, 'inquiring minds want to know.'
 
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RE: Why Some Airlines Don't Fly To Certain Airports

Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:12 am

This entire conversation is amusing to me because it's the exact same decision process that one needs to go through in our game (or in designing the Airline AI which is what I've spent the past 2 weeks doing!).
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